Beyond Optimism and Pessimism: Finding Hope in the Face of Political Challenges

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Coming up on this episode of

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the Healthy, Wealthy and Wise podcast.

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If one wanted, if, if you were advising,
if Joe Biden had called you up and

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he says, um, attorney Brown, he says,
I've only got, I don't know what two

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or three more months or three or four
more months during my administration.

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And I seriously want to do something
to reform the present us Supreme court.

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What would you advise him to do,
or how would you advise him to

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go about that in those four or
five months he has remaining?

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Welcome to the Healthy, Wealthy,
and Wise podcast with Dr.

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William T.

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Choctaw, MD, JD.

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This podcast will inform, educate,
and motivate you to live a more

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healthy, wealthy, and wise life.

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It's powered by the over 50 years
of medical experience of this Yale

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University Medical School trained
surgeon, who Also received his Juris

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Doctorate from Western State Law School.

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He has executive experience as a
former mayor of Walnut, California,

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as a chairman of the non profit
Servants Arms, and as president of

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Choctaw Medical Group, Incorporated.

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You've got questions or concerns.

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He's got answers for both.

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So let's listen in on an
interview already in progress.

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Well, that's the interesting thing.

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Very frequently.

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There is no fact checking.

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That's true.

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There's all this false information.

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The interesting thing is
one might win the election.

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By false pretenses.

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I mean, you might legitimately win
the election by lying to people.

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As we know, uh, I don't want to
name a candidate, but we know that

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one candidate lies a whole lot.

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He's been caught in lies,
directly caught in lies.

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But people believe a lot of this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then yeah, no, no, I'm sorry.

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Go ahead It's good.

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And then when when he says it,
there's no one to fact check it I mean

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sometimes there is but most of the
time there isn't so he just you throw

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out these bald faced allegations.

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Yes, and make these just Promises that
are just impossible to to fulfill And like

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you said, you switch your position just
to tell people whatever they want to hear.

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Could you actually, could it
be a situation where a person

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legitimately wins the election, but
based on false pretenses on lies?

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Oh,

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absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And I would argue, I bet there have
been politicians that have won elections

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based completely on lies and falsehoods.

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But I think The, the, the, the
situation at, at hand, uh, is distinct

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or different in a couple ways.

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Again, it's all been done before by
the same people, by the same person.

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So one knows his playbook.

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I was watching Hakeem Jeffries, who's
the Democratic leader in the House.

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And when he spoke at the convention,
you know, he says the, the ex

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president is like an old boyfriend.

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You know, you, you, you broke
it up with him, you know,

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but he keeps hanging around,

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calling you and keeps coming back,
knocking on the door and, and

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in Jeffords term, he said, bros.

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It's over.

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It's over.

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We've moved on from you.

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We've moved on from you.

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And I think, I think there's no
question that some politicians lie.

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There's no question that some politicians
get elected because they lied.

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But I think that when you're, when you're
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powerful position and you've done this.

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four or eight years previously.

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I just think it's going to be more
difficult to fool people again,

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particularly with the population
being younger and less, uh, less,

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uh, uh, tolerant of your views.

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Wow.

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Well, this is one debate
that I hope you won.

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Actually, I think you won.

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I defer

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to opposing counsel.

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Well, we all

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know it's a November 5th.

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Well, thank you so much
for having me on, man.

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It's really been great to talk
about these issues with you.

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You've actually converted me.

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I have a renewed faith in democracy.

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Good.

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Good.

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I, I don't want you stressing,
however, I'm still telling my kids

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and my adult children to be ready.

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Jesse.

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No, I agree.

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I agree.

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I think, I think that makes sense.

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That makes sense.

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But you know, we just keep
moving forward and we just sort

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of hope, hope for the best.

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Let me ask you a quick question.

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What do you think?

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Um, let me, let me rephrase.

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If one wanted, if you were advising,
if Joe Biden had called you up and

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he says, um, Attorney Brown, he says,
I've only got, I don't know what, two

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or three more months or three or four
more months during my administration.

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And I seriously want to do
something to reform the present U.

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S.

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Supreme Court.

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What would you advise him to do?

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Or how would you advise him to
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five months he has remaining?

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Well, you know, his, his powers are
limited by the United States constitution.

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Unfortunately, there's
not a lot he can do.

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He has no authority to remove, uh,
Any members of the Supreme court.

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And there have been some recommendations
that the number, uh, be increased at

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the number of Supreme court justices be
increased, uh, you know, from five, seven,

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eight, and they keep going up 10, but that
doesn't necessarily change the outcome.

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And unfortunately the, um, Supreme court
has, in my opinion, been politicized.

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Yes, more so recently.

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I mean, uh, there was some discussion
a while back about, um, the group

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that's trying to bring up Dred Scott.

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And that was a very low point in history,
the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision.

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Exactly.

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Very, very low point in
history with the Supreme Court.

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And now we're seeing some opinions
that, uh, are starting to go back.

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Uh, and, and where historians, I
believe in the future, um, decades from

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now, centuries from now, we'll say,
wow, the Supreme court was really at

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a very, very low point when it made
some of these decisions, but, and it's

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politicized, but can Biden do anything?

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I don't think that he has
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do anything at this point.

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And I don't believe that.

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That it would require Congress
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number of Supreme Court justices.

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I don't think that they will act.

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And even if they did increase the
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uh, even with a greater number.

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So, uh, I, I, I unfortunately don't
see a way out for that situation.

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I don't see where Biden can make
any, uh, significant changes.

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Well, you make, you make a very valid
point that indeed for him to do, to

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be able to do anything significant,
he would need to have, um, uh, the

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majority in the Senate and in the House.

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Now, if he had both of those, then clearly
he could pass laws and that's the thing.

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But the other thing, if there's anything,
the last four years of the last eight

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years have taught me that a lot of the.

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The structure and whatever, where
we said, no, we can't do this.

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Can't do that.

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It's amazing how malleable
those principles are.

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I can remember when, when Muller first
started and they said, well, you know,

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there's a certain type of way that the
justice department acts and this and that.

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And when, when he made his report, Bill
Barger said, no, that's just hogwash.

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We aren't going to do that.

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So my point is that I think that
once one is in power, uh, some very,

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very smart or intelligent attorney
like yourself can sit down and

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say, well, you know, You know what?

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I'm, I'm going to write an opinion because
remember attorneys are rewarded for coming

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up with, with, with, uh, novelty, right?

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Novelty.

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They said this, this is for
the post 24 year, uh, that from

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here in sport, uh, you know, the
president can do a, b, c, d, e, f.

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And even though it may not be established
at the time, but you have to litigate

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it and it take a year litigated.

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And by that time you can
get other stuff done.

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And so my point is I'm encouraged
that there may be a way, even

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though that doesn't appear to
be, an obvious way to do it.

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Hmm.

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All right.

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Well, you know, once again, you've,
you've reiterated the fact that

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you have more faith in mankind,
much more optimistic than I am.

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Just keep praying for me.

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Keep praying.

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Yeah.

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I said, you pray for me too.

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So I have any other issues you
want to, you want to share with us?

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Nope.

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Nope.

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We're just looking forward to January the
6th, the magic day when that's the day.

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And when it all happens, when Congress
meets and says, okay, the inauguration,

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let's get it going, let's, let's.

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But should I name the person?

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Go ahead.

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Let's

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make Kamala.

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Kamala.

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Let me

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learn how to We're going to decide Kamala.

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You're right.

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Um, whatever it's like.

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So start off with Kamala.

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Kamala.

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Kala Kamalah.

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Remember at, did you watch the DNC?

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The, the convention?

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I don't what you watch.

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Pardon?

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They had a, they had a part of the
convention where they had, I think her

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nieces and, and they were explaining folk.

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That's the reason I, I know this 'cause I
was watching and they said, you start off

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with a Kaa and then you add Marla to it.

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So it's Kamar law.

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Well, they were making jokes
about, you know, 'cause Trump kept.

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Mispronouncing her.

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Yeah, well, he, I'm sure
he was doing it on purpose.

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He was just doing it to

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be rude.

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It was a terrible joke though.

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There was, there was a joke that somebody
made who said, well, if he calls her

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Kamala, she should call him Don old.

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I think she has so far been very smart
about not getting down completely with

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him, you know, she'll, she'll, she'll
like jab a couple of times, but then

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she moves and gets back on point.

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I think that's very smart.

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He wins by manipulating the time.

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By scaring people and then everybody
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about, whether it's true or not.

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Um, and then, you know, no one's paying
attention to the good stuff, you know,

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so I, I'm sure she's aware of that.

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Um, she's got smart people around her and
she's, you know, a smart person herself.

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She went to your law school
and I know how smart you are.

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So I'm, I'm even more encouraged.

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I see these hate things,
you know, graduates.

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My friends, when I see my friends, they
say, well, you know, uh, Kamala went

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to Hastings and she's the president,
vice president, and they look at me

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and say, well, what happened to you?

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You should tell him it's not over yet.

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Tell him it's not over.

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It's not over.

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Well, thank you, sir.

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so much for having me.

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Thank you.

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I want to be respectful of your time.

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Uh, but this has been great.

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Um, and thank you for having the
idea of this type of discussion.

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I think, I think it's been informative
and, and, and, and entertaining.

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Um, But, and so we'll get
together again and, but, uh,

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October, when is our next thing?

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Just September, October, September,

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it'll be September.

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Yeah,

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September, right.

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Cause the, the debates are going to be,
um, um, I think in two or three weeks.

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And so we, we, we can talk about that.

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We can talk about the status of the
race, status of the race and see

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whether either one of us has modified
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