College Students: Can You Get Expelled for Protesting? Legal Advice for Activists

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Jesse L Hammonds: Coming up on
this episode of the Healthy,

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Wealthy, and Wise podcast.

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In theory, if you know, if you're
absolutely 100 percent sure that

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you didn't do anything wrong.

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You can respond to the questions, but
generally lawyers say do not respond

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because most people talk themselves
into a greater criminal culpability

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when they start answering questions.

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But to a parent, I would just advise
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Here's Dr.

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William t Choctaw, md, jd.

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So if, if, if you were to, to, to
summarize, um, um, uh, again, let's

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go, go, go back to the hypothetical.

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You're invited to speak to the city
council at UCLA and they, they,

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they, they're planning to have this
demonstration for what, whatever issue

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they do, uh, they're going to have it for.

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What, what, what general advice
would, would, would you in

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summary sort of give them?

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Well.

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There, there's no precise advice,
but generally I would say, first

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of all, set a time and a date
and, and a location, a location.

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If the location is going to be on
campus, I would limit the hours.

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I would, uh, and I would,
uh, make sure that everybody

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understands if possible, the rules.

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Okay.

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That is, uh, that we're going to
have a demonstration that we're

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not going to violate any laws.

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That we're going to leave at a
certain time rather than because,

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you know, they set up encampments at
UCLA and they were there overnight.

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And that could theoretically
go forever, you know.

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Right.

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And we're not going to obstruct operations
or the business ongoings of the school.

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We're not going to
interfere with anything.

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We're just going to go there.

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We're going to give our speeches.

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We're going to make our statements.

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We're not going to interfere with anybody.

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We're not going to use
profanity toward anybody.

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We're going to be totally peaceful.

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We're going to tell everybody
exactly our time limits.

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And we're going to let everybody know
that we, our restrictions and everything,

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that we, our limitations, and that we're
going to leave at a certain time, uh,

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and not over, overdo our, our welcome.

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And, and could you And, and just
in summary, because I want to make

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sure that I get all this, um, just,
just read through your, your first

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four or five main, main topics and,
and give me a summary to those.

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Uh, where are you talking about
what rights to demonstrate,

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uh, do demonstrators have?

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Uh, when do you cross the line, go
too far, just, just sort of like

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a summary for each one of those.

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Demonstrators, as we found in the
Constitution of the United States,

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we have the right to free speech and
the right to freedom of assembly.

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But, and so that's
constitutionally protected.

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Right.

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So those rights are there, but
they're subject to limitations.

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And the limitations are if you violated
any, any laws, or if you are on property

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where at some point the property owner
decides that they no longer Want to

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give you permission to be there and
they declare that you are trespassers

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and ask you to be removed So you cross
the line generally when do you cross

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the line when you violate any laws?

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Okay, when you refuse to leave when being
requested to leave If you're using out

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loud and unreasonable You're too loud.

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You're using profanity You're fighting
You You're tearing up stuff, damaging

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property, and you've gone over the line.

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And some of that is sort of common sense,
you know, that you, you, yeah, that,

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that you, you have to be respectful,
I guess, of the environment and those

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around you, but still make your point or
give your opinion and that sort of thing.

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Yes, but the, they're actually,
the, the rules are not clear

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cut and they're constantly.

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Uh, going through, shall
we say, a metamorphosis.

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They're constantly changing.

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The Supreme Court is constantly,
uh, frequently getting new cases.

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Got it.

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That's going on throughout our entire
history of the nation where they would

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be receiving cases and being required
and requested to interpret the law

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and the Constitution and to set the
rules with regard to the Constitution.

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What is permissible and what
is not permissible, right?

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And, and so it sounds real beautiful
to say, Oh, we have free speech.

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You know, we can criticize
the government, right?

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Really?

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And yes, we can.

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Right.

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But it depends on how we do it and
where we do it and when we do it.

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That determines whether
it, uh, whether we.

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cross the line and go too far.

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And I think your comments about when
you were in China and you asked, or you

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said, you know, do you have free speech?

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And they said, yeah, we can
say anything as long as we

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don't criticize the government.

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Yes.

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And they were pretty serious about that.

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Cause they said, they said, well,
when you're in your own home, they

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said that sometimes there were like,
I don't want to call them spies.

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But they would neighbor would rat out a
neighbor, shall we say, if your neighbor

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heard you criticizing the government,
they could report you to the government

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and you could get in trouble or get
prosecuted based on someone saying

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they heard you, uh, saying things
that were critical of the government.

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So, uh, you know, it's interesting
to live in a free country

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where you can say things.

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It does create, uh, I think in the long
run, a greater discussion and analysis

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ultimately leads to, uh, policies that,
uh, are, are, are better for the nation.

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Uh, I think down the road, but during
the process, it can be disrupted.

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And I think the reason why Governments
in other nations don't allow it.

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It's because they are free, afraid
of the consequences in this nation.

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We learned how to voice our opinions,
state our differences, and yet keep

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The, the nation together, you know,
not fall to pieces, not turn it,

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not, not turn into a civil war.

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Exactly.

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So, so far we have,

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sometimes I wonder how long that
will continue, I hope it will

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continue throughout all history.

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Well, they, they call democracy,
I think, an experiment, you know,

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so far our experiment has failed.

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I hope.

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But I think it will be
tested as time goes on.

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Yes, looks like it.

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Uh, looks like we're coming up for
a nice test in the next election.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Any other comments, Bernie,
you want to share with us?

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No, I just want to say that
you're doing a remarkable job.

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Thank you for having me on your podcast.

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It is a great contribution to
the community for people to hear.

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Uh, your great words of wisdom,
you know, I was, I keep having

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this nasal drip and congestion.

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So I'm looking forward to your
podcast, your podcast that you'll

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do on how to clear out my nasal.

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We'll certainly work on that.

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I'll get rid of this
nasal drip and congestion.

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Well, it's called Springtime
and Pollen, that's right.

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You're probably getting
that ocean breeze anyway.

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Ocean breeze is everything, but
you've done so many podcasts.

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Like I said before, you did that
one on artificial intelligence,

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and I thought I'd never understand
artificial intelligence, but you broke

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it down and made it understandable.

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Well, the common man like me, the common
person, we, we, we thank you also, as I

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said before, you know, that, that because
particular with legal issue, because

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you are on the, the, the worked on the
prosecutor's side, um, that that's a

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unique perspective, I think, uh, than,
than most legal perspectives that one

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would get, certainly that I would get.

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And I think that's helpful.

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I mean, I think that that gives us extra
knowledge, um, and, and with a certain

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honesty and openness to say, okay, these
are your choices, A and B, but you need

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to be clearly aware of what those choices
are and not be fooled by think that,

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well, you can do A and get away with it.

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It's not that big a deal.

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It is a big deal.

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It is a big deal.

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And those choices are clear.

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And so you have to decide.

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Yeah, tough choices when you're in college
and you want to fight for things, but then

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you've put in all these years and all this
study and you don't want to get expelled.

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Exactly.

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Oh, no.

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And let me ask you, do most of
these students get expelled?

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I mean, I don't think so.

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I think the vast majority
of them do not get expelled.

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At my law school, when we put on
our big demonstration, I didn't

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hear of anybody getting expelled.

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Well, there was.

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Oh, there are a couple of people that
got, uh, got like suspended, shall we

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say, temporary, temporarily suspended
or whatever, but no, generally not.

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But I do believe, uh, that if you're
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like, you know, battery or assaulting
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that, the chances of getting expelled.

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go up significantly.

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You run the risk of expulsion.

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I heard that that at some of the
colleges back east, they were considering

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expelling some of the students
participated in the demonstration.

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If you were advising parents, um,
let's say little Johnny called home

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and said, mommy, I'm in, I'm in jail
because I was at a demonstration.

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Well, what would you advise parents to do?

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Uh, They're in jail
because of a demonstration?

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Well, most of these students that
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That is, they go there, they get booked.

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They get.

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Released within 24 hours.

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It's usually they don't hold them
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a more serious misdemeanor or
something that arises to a felony.

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Uh, so usually they're going to get
out and so usually you would tell them,

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you know, just Uh, don't, uh, you know,
like lawyers always advise, don't talk,

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exercise your right to remain silent.

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To remain silent.

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Okay.

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That's good advice.

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I want to, can you actually say that,
you know, I, I, I, I, I choose not

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to speak until my attorney arrives.

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Oh yes.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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When you're being arrested there, you
know, they have to give you a Miranda

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rights and advise you of your right to
remain silent and tell you that anything

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you say can and will be used against you
in a court of law and on and on and on.

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You have to tell you that when they
arrest you and then you can say, and then

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they'll start asking you questions, right?

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Right.

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And that's when you can say, well,
I'm actually, you just told me I

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have the right to remain silent.

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So I'm going to remain silent.

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Now, in theory, if you know, if
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that you didn't do anything wrong.

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You can respond to the questions, but
generally lawyers say do not respond

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because most people talk themselves
into a greater criminal culpability

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when they start answering questions.

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But to a parent, I would just advise
the parent, uh, obviously if the child

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is not going to get out of jail anytime
soon, bail would have to be set.

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And I, as a parent, I would be trying to
make bail so my kid could get out of jail.

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Be like, oh, okay, I'll make jail.

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But then, at some point, they
would have to face my wrath.

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Exactly.

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You did what?

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You were tearing up what?

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You were, oh, you.

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You painted on the
administration door building.

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Why, you know, you don't have the
right to vandalize their building.

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You know, you can't do that.

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You know, I'd be, you know,
doing the parent thing.

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And I think for our audience, it's
fair to say that I know you have

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at least two kids and I know one
is a doctor and one is a lawyer.

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Is that right?

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Yes.

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Oh, so I think you, you,
you did some things good.

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I got lucky and God blessed me.

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Well, but I, I think all of us,
all of us want, want, want that

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type of luck and that's, yeah.

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Um, yeah, go ahead.

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Yeah.

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I was able to give my children a lot of
good counseling because of my childhood.

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Is that right?

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In what way?

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Well, I could say that, um, what happened
to various children on my street.

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Right.

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I told him at a very young age.

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I said, okay, there was
a guy down the street.

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His name was Joe.

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He, he was the king of the
kids, but as he grew up at some

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point, he got hooked on heroin.

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And when he got hooked on heroin, he
wound up in jail and then he died.

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And then I went down every child
on the street because I could

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tell them each child's story.

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You know, there was, uh, Mr.

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Butler and, uh, Ricky Butler or, or
Stanley Williams, Stanley Williams was a,

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uh, he was a good, smart kid, but now in
his story, he got hooked on crack cocaine.

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He, he wound up homeless.

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Wow.

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And, and so his story was a bad
story, but then I had good stories.

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It was Daryl Goss and, and the
Goss family, Goss brothers, what

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I'm, uh, they were both good kids.

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They worked really hard and one of
them wound up being, uh, an accountant.

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One is a certified public accountant
and the other one's a lawyer.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So.

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You go down, oh man, I had a story
for everybody, for all the kids.

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There was a kid who, across the street,
uh, he, Tidwell, Orlando Tidwell, it's

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terrible, I'm naming names, a lot of these
people are dead, so it won't, I can't be

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serious, but what happened to Orlando,
he concocted this scheme to break into

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this, uh, tire, uh, The store, uh, on the
corner, he was a teenager and so he went

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up on the roof and he entered at night.

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They had, they had experienced
several break ins, so they

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had hired a security guard.

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When a lender came down, entered
the building through the ceiling

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to try to steal whatever he was
going to try to steal, a security

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guard shot and killed him.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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So, I mean, you share all these
stories with, I was able to share

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all these stories with my kids
about success stories and stories

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of people who were not successful.

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And so then they could evaluate for
themselves, you know, to some extent.

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How do you make sure as a parent that,
that you get through to your kids, you

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know, because a lot of times as kids
get older, you know, the last people

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they want to listen to a mom and dad
type thing that says, well, you know,

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you're sort of old school and things
have changed and blah, blah, blah.

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How do you break through those barriers?

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Well, you know, kids are
generally very intelligent.

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They're really smart and if you tell
them, just say, okay, here are the

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logical consequences of your actions.

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You know, if you do this, this
is what's going to happen to you.

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If you do this, you know, and if you do
this, this is what can happen to you.

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And if you just explain to them and
the beauty of it has been in certain

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cases where I said to them, If you
do this, this and this and this

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will happen and they did it anyway.

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And then the first thing
happened and he said, Oh, and

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then the second thing happened.

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And by then they were like,
okay, I'm going to stop doing it.

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If it's not, you know, it wasn't too late.

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Right.

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Right.

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They were able to see that.

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Oh, going down that road of conduct was
going to lead to these consequences.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And thus avoid those consequences.

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Uh, but clearly, there's no,
uh, just precise way, because

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there's so many factors.

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I was into, to some degree,
controlling who my kids hung out with.

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Okay.

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Because their friends can really,
will have a great influence on them.

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Right.

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So if they can hang around with
good people and people who were

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good kids, doing good things,
and positive, and achieving, and

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wanting to do the right thing.

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Now you don't always know what their
friends are doing, but generally

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if they can hang out with positive,
good friends, then that helps them.

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That helps them to be groomed
as compared to hanging out.

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With thugs and gangsters and all of that.

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I still remember the day my son came home.

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I mean one day He was getting up
to go to school And I I happened to

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be there before I go to work and I
look And he had on these pants and

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they were bagging below his butt

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And I said, you know, usually thugs
wear that kind of, you sure you wanna

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go to school with your pants like that?

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You know, this was a thing.

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Right?

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Right.

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It was a thug gang thing.

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Right.

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I said, I don't, you know,
it really doesn't look cool.

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I don't think you should do this.

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And, you know, do these
gangsters and thugs.

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And, and they, they, that's who does that?

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Is that the way you Mm-Hmm.

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really wanna look, but I didn't tell 'em.

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No, you can't do it.

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Right, right.

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But you let him know that, that you
were not supportive of it and, and

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he basically got the message that it
wasn't, in my opinion, and he stopped.

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Okay, good.

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We did it that one day.

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I think he may have realized what he was
doing and, and it didn't happen again.

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So is he the one that's now the lawyer?

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He's the doctor.

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He's the doctor.

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Yeah, right.

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The lawyer was smarter.

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The girl, she was, she was smarter.

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We all make mistakes and growing up
in my story, I'm reluctant to tell my

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story because I grew up in South L.

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A.

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and I was surrounded by gangs and
drugs and All this all all of it going

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on and I hung out with a lot of guys
and You know, I kept my mother had

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me going to Sunday school all the
time all the time So that was good

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because that gives you a moral basis.

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Yes Yeah

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Because in certain communities, there
are, there are a lot of temptations and

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your friends are saying, oh, come on,
man, this is good marijuana, you can

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try this stuff, me and you, you know,
and, and just so many stories of stuff.

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There was a guy, that same guy,
Joe Houston, we had a group

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of kids, a whole group of us.

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We had a club called Fisherman's
Cool and we would all meet at Joe

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Houston's house in his garage and
we were all cool and everything.

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But one day, see, I was a little younger
so they didn't ask me to participate, but

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they decided that there was a local bar.

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I mean, yeah, I think it's called
Bar Boys Market, Boys Market.

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I don't know where he remembered us.

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Anyway, uh, they decided they
were, they, they were going to

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go there and rob the market.

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Oh my goodness.

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The store, the grocery store.

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Right.

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These are, you know, young teenagers.

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Wow.

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And, but because I was only about 11 or
12, they said, you can't participate.

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But they let me hear all the stuff.

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They were planning it and all this.

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Right.

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And they went there and did it.

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Oh my goodness.

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And they all got caught and arrested.

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Of course.

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. You know, so I mean, there's all
these influences around and I'm

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lucky to have gotten outta that.

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But you survived it.

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I was surrounded by drugs and,
and people who are committing

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crimes and all that kind of stuff.

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Right.

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So, and it just shows that even
if you are in that environment

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growing up, that there's hope.

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You know, and then now you, you
passed on that next generation.

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That would be at that next level.

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Yes.

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And I think a lot of judges take that
into consideration, you know, my wife's

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a judge and I think, I think it's
consideration because some, you know,

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there's some judges who say, Oh, you've
been charged with this crime, blah, I'm

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throwing the book at you, go to prison,
blah, you're going to be gone forever.

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There are others that say,
okay, I'd see some hope in you.

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I think there's a chance, you know?

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So, and they might give you, you know,
I'll give you a chance to reform and

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to get it right and to change your
life and go in a different direction.

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And so there's a lot of discretion
where we can help people in their

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lives so that they can have successful.

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Happy, healthy, and wealthy lives.

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Indeed.

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And thank you so much, Bernie.

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Because I'll go.

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That's a good way to end it.

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We want everybody to be
healthy, wealthy, and wise.

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We're talking about mentally,
spiritually and physically, um, that

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health is more than just physical.

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But again, Barney, thank you again
for your valuable information and

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your equally and more valuable time
to share your words of wisdom with us.

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And certainly anytime you have any other
thoughts on any subject that you would

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like to share with us, just let us know
that there's always time and a time

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slot and a platform available for you.

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Thank you so much.

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I appreciate it.

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All right.

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You have a terrific day.

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Take care.

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Bye bye.

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