Struggling to find your calling? Dr. Choctaw challenges conventional wisdom and explores the power of strengths-based living with Dr. Francis. Learn how to identify your unique gifts, overcome self-doubt, and live a life filled with purpose and fulfi...
Struggling to find your calling? Dr. Choctaw challenges conventional wisdom and explores the power of strengths-based living with Dr. Francis. Learn how to identify your unique gifts, overcome self-doubt, and live a life filled with purpose and fulfillment.
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jesse: Coming up on this episode of
the Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise podcast.
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dr choctaw: If you, um, what, what,
what do you see happening in the next
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four or five years with the church?
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I think in
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dr francis: such a short
term, unless there's some
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jesse: Welcome to the Healthy,
Wealthy, and Wise podcast with Dr.
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William T.
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Chalkton, MD, JD.
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Where the doctor helps you unlock
your full potential by equipping you
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with the tools and knowledge you need.
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In the areas of health, wealth, and
wisdom anchored in his experience
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as a business executive, a physician
surveyor for the joint commission,
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a former mayor, and over 50 years
of experience as a general surgeon.
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You've got questions, he's got answers.
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So let's get started.
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Here's Dr.
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William t Choctaw.
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MDJD.
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Father,
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dr francis: we just thank you for
this time that we can come together.
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We know that all time is in your hand,
yet we want to, uh, use the time that
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you give us in a manner, in a way that's,
uh, glorify you, uh, that recognizes
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the fact that it is you who have blessed
us, and as we go forward, may we, uh,
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reflect on the things that will be
helpful to one another as well as to
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any audience that might come across it.
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We thank and we praise
you, in Jesus name, amen.
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dr choctaw: Well, good morning, everybody.
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We're very, very happy to have you join
us today with another edition of the
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Health and Wealth in Wives podcast.
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We are very fortunate today to
have our guests, a very special
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guest, someone we've known for
years, uh, um, uh, Reverend Dr.
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Josel Francis, Sr.
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In a perfect world.
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Um, and you know, whenever anybody
else starts with the question about
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being in a perfect world, that ain't
going anywhere, but in a perfect
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world, um, um, how would you, um,
um, how would you say, how, how would
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you make things better for our youth?
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In a perfect world, if you had the
power to set up things any way you
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wanted to set them up and you and and
to give advice about anything, how
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would you improve the development and
the growth of our young people today?
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dr francis: That's a good question.
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You know, because I was listening to
the news last night, and there's a I
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forgot the neighborhood, but it's not an
upscale neighborhood, but they're saying
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people are breaking into folks homes,
they're just doing some weird stuff like
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burglaries, even when people are home, in
some cases, stealing cars, breaking into
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homes, stealing, uh, precious possessions.
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And so there's so much
going on in this time.
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And I was in this verse I've
been reflecting on lately.
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And it says that in the last
days, difficult times will come.
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Is it will definitely in the last
days, difficult times will arise.
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And so basically, I guess the best
thing would be to try to shelter
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them to some degree from a lot
of the Uh, atrocious things that
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are occurring in these last days.
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And yet, at the same time, they
are more exposed than ever.
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Yes.
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I see my grandkids, they have,
uh, these computers and they
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stay on them all day long.
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And they can, if you don't watch them,
you know, tell them what they're watching.
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That the games that they
play, they're violent.
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I mean, there's so much going on that
you haven't You want to shelter them,
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but you can't shelter them too much
because they have to face reality.
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So I guess what I'm suggesting is
that you have to find a place of some
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degree of safety and yet a real place.
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Right.
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But they can grow and at the same time
walk along with them and be advised that
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there are some terrible things going on.
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It's the
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dr choctaw: balance.
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You
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dr francis: have to find that balance.
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You have to find that balance and
walk along with them and don't
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just throw them out there and
say go get them boys and girls.
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That's what a lot of times we're doing.
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We're so busy trying to make a living,
and I'm just saying, people in general,
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if it's busy making a living and trying to
do our own things that we like to do, our
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own fun or whatever, and the kids kind of
getting dropped into crutch, you obviously
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got to really walk closer to them.
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And even we used to, and yet give
them enough, but not too much leeway
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to grow up and to face reality.
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Because once they grow up, they still
gonna have to face the real world.
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But if we give them the right building
blocks, and those should be principally
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speaking based on the word, they
will be able to make right choices.
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If they do or do not, it
won't be because of us.
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I didn't know you've given them a
foundation, a biblical foundation, so
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they have a firm basis upon which to
build their lives on, as opposed to, man,
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I wish someone would have told me that.
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dr choctaw: You know, that,
that, that is so true.
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I, there was a, uh, a patient, a
couple, um, who were very, very
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concerned about their grandchild.
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Um, and, um, they consulted, uh,
with a child development specialist.
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Um, and what she said was, uh, you
know, because a lot of times we may not
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have ideal moms and dads, you know, uh,
growing up, uh, for whatever reason.
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But, but what this child development
specialist says, if there's one
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stable adult, You've got to have
just one in that child's life.
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It could be a parent.
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I don't know next door neighbor,
a teacher, but you gotta have one
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but if that child can have one
stable adult, the kid will be okay
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and and I always remember that.
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I I just thought that was just just
a brilliant statement and um and so
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II share that that that certainly as
we get older, we worry like crazy.
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You know, I've got six grandkids also.
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But, but you need that one stable doll.
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You know, hopefully God fearing, Christian
strong, uh, respectful, um, and I think
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about growing up in, in the foster homes,
my stable adults were teachers in school,
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you know, junior high school, high school,
whatever, you know, and back then they
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treated you like they were your parent.
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Maybe they can't do that today,
but back then they did, you know,
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and they would pull you off to the
side and say, you know, you're not
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supposed to be acting like that,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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dr francis: Right.
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Yeah, I hear you.
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So, uh, yeah, we're on the same page.
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dr choctaw: If you, um, what do
you see happening in the next four
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or five years with the church?
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dr francis: I think in such a short
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dramatic occurs, in the short term, I
don't really see a lot going on that's
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going to change significantly, and so,
I think in order for a change to occur,
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usually it's something dramatic happened.
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You know, even like COVID, you
know, it caused a lot of changes.
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It was devastating to us.
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medically, but it caused a lot of changes.
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Usually, change occurs, it seems to
me, the most, uh, violent change, the
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most noticeable, progressive change
happens when something creates it.
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For example, the work schedule that
people hold now, working from home,
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that's one thing they would never have
allowed before, but it's on a larger scale
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now, you know, they have ways of measuring
what people can do without having to have
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a supervisor who will stand over them
all day and, uh, they travel in and out.
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You know, we can do zoom instead of,
of all the three of us driving to
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the church and sitting around, you
know, and so it's things like that.
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There's a lot of change.
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So the point is that I don't
really think a lot's going to
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happen in the, in the short term.
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People gonna continue to do what
they're doing now, I believe,
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unless the Lord two, two, script,
two verses from Timothy, second
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Timothy chapter two verses 14 and 15.
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dr choctaw: Okay.
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dr francis: He said, remind them.
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of these things and solemnly charge
them in the presence of God, not to
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wrinkle about words which is useless
and leads to the ruin of the hearers.
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Be diligent to present yourself
approved to God as a workman
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who does not need to be ashamed,
accurately handling the word of truth.
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And I think that.
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One of the things that we used
to do too, even in schools,
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was we used to have a devotion.
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We used to be able to use the Bible.
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And, uh, we weren't afraid in the old
days, when I was going to school, to
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allow people to Reflect on if they chose
to, the word, when it was appropriate.
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I mean, it wasn't like a Bible
school, but it was, it was allowed,
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you know, as a device and so forth.
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And so I think one of the
things we need to lighten up
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on is don't be afraid of God.
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Don't be afraid of the word, and
train people along the line, because
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a lot of the principles, biblical
principles, really are helpful.
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A lot, they are a lot, but I mean, in
terms, helpful in terms of getting,
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having people to get along, and
to, you know, Be progressive and
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move and treat one another right.
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Really, that's what it's all about.
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Treating people right.
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Respecting other people's property.
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A lot of the things that are going on
that are destroying the country are
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diametrically opposed to the Word of God.
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This is my point.
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And if people were encouraged to
live according to the Scripture, we
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would have a much better country.
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We wouldn't have people breaking in
folks houses, stealing their cars,
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beating them up on the transits.
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The buses in LA, the folks, just
about every week someone's getting
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stabbed or someone's getting assaulted.
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And usually, often times, it seems
like the person that's being assaulted,
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they weren't even doing anything.
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I know a lot of the
people have mental issues.
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There's some of that.
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And there's some, a chase every
week, every day almost, a car
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chase or something going on.
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And a lot of this stuff wouldn't
happen if people had the right
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principles that they were living by.
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And I'm saying that the Bible
is one of the best ways I know
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to teach people principles of
living together, living together.
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There's a lot of practical application.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, there you go.
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That's what I was trying to say.
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Practical application.
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Yes.
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dr choctaw: Okay, okay, good, good, good.
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What, what, what, what do
you see happening in the next
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year or so with your ministry?
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What, what, what would you like
to see happen with your ministry
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specifically in the next year or so?
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dr francis: I'd like to see, uh, more
of the same, but even reaching out.
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I noticed that we're getting a few
more, uh, people from the community.
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I would like to see some of the
people who are coming out from
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the community, especially those
who are not well indoctrinated.
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Maybe have something specifically
designed, and I know we have new
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members, like, even enlarge on such
aspects, especially for those who may
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not be indoctrinated, and help them to
speed up their disciple blend so that
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they can be better stewards, not just
someone who comes and shows up on Sunday,
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but have a real understanding of it.
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Where am I now?
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Who am I in Christ?
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And what is my role
according to my giftedness?
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What is my spiritual gift?
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You know, there's one writer that
suggested that in terms of our change
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and growth, another thing is that
we tend to work on our weaknesses.
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If we're serious about getting change
and growth, we tend to naturally,
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we tend to work on our weaknesses.
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To gravitate to what, okay,
this is what I'm weak on.
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I'm gonna work on that.
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But he said, A better result would
be to find out what is my, what
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is my giftedness and talents and
ability, and work on those , right?
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And work on what you're good at
and improve all that, because
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that's where you're blessed at.
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And so help people to
discover their gifts.
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Especially new members and people who
have not even would have been around
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just helping them to discover their
gifts and put them in a place of service.
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And, uh, let them realize
that they have a purpose.
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They have a purpose,
just like the rest of us.
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dr choctaw: There's a philosophy, uh,
which is exactly what you're saying.
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That we, uh, we tend to think that
we, um, uh, grow and get better by
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work, by improving our weaknesses.
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Uh, that it's our
strengths, Strength Finder.
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that have gotten us to where we are.
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of education at the church.
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It's your strength that's gotten
you in different positions that that
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you've held in terms of responsibility.
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And a used example of the, you know,
the kid that comes home with mommy and
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daddy and the kid has gotten a, um,
a 96 on his exam, on his math exam.
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And, uh, the kid's feeling very good
and shows the 96 the only one that
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got the 96 out of the class of 30.
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But then the dad says, but, but, but
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You know, it's only four more points.
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It's only four more points.
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we worry about what we don't have.
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will always be with you.
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They will always be with us.
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But what we want to do is to
concentrate on the strengths.
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That's it.
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Because the strengths is
what moves us forward.
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The weaknesses are there.
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But, but, but, and we can work on
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disproportionate amount of time anguishing
over not getting those other four points.
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You got 96 on a math exam.
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And I think part of it, I don't know
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up or society, I don't know what it is.
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we need to be more positive than negative.
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And it's not what other people do
to us, it's what we do to ourselves.
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It's not what, you know,
the person next door is.
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You know, beautiful on
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for that, but my point is, after a
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certain period of time, it ends up
being counterproductive, uh, um, and
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that's really why, you know, doing
these podcasts and other things, we
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try to emphasize the importance of, um,
mental, physical, and spiritual strength.
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They, they aren't individual.
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They all work together.
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They all work together.
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dr francis: Exactly.
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dr choctaw: So if, if you wanted to
say of the 75, 000 people we said
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were downloading or the downloads
we're having with this podcast, if
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you were to send them a message,
um, uh, and give them some words of
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wisdom, what would that message be and
what would those words of wisdom be?
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dr francis: Well, I'm not the wisest
man, but uh, uh, so I often quote
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others, I love quotes, so let me speak.
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I thought your
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jesse: middle name was, I thought
your middle name was Solomon.
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dr francis: I used to listen to Jay
Vernon McGee, I know you all know him.
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Old Don homeboy.
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Oh yeah.
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Country preacher sounding guy.
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He was the smartest whip.
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Don't let that.
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Where the rubber meets the road.
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And this is something he said, you
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stuff, but I would suggest that people.
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Turn things over to the Lord, and
I know that's not easy or said than
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done, but when we are challenged,
when we are struggling, and even
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when we are celebrating, you
know, keep the Lord in your heart.
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In the center of it all, and by keeping
the Lord, I mean, pray regularly,
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read your scriptures regularly, you
know, do your Bible studies, you
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know, get involved with a fellowship,
a congregation that's going to move
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you forward and support you in that.
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Because you're going to have pushbacks,
you're going to have challenges,
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you're going to have naysayers,
you're going to have all of that,
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but you want to connect with people
that are going to support you in your
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walk and keep Christ at the center.
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Now he says this, quote, Life and death
are in the hands of a sovereign God.
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When you and I rebel against his
decision, it is simply too bad for us.
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This is his universe, not ours.
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It is God's church, not ours.
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The hand of a sovereign
God moves in the church.
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So his hand gonna move
no matter what we do.
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He's running things.
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Well, I know we think we're in
charge, but he's, that writer's
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just saying, McGee's telling him,
God really is ultimately in charge.
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And I think if we connect with him, We're
going to end up in the right place if we
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choose to do it our own way We're going
to end up somewhere else wherever it is.
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It's not going to be as good
as being with the Lord So what
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would I advise long story short?
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I would advise Connect with the Lord
through his word through prayer through
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discipleship And by joining others who
have the same vision and goals that
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you have that can support you in your
walk because it's not an easy walk.
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You need that support.
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You need to support others as
well and you need their support.
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I know that's a long one, but.
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dr choctaw: No, no, no, no.
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Well, thank you very much for
your words of wisdom and sharing
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your precious time with us.
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We've learned a lot.
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Um, and you've been very gracious to,
um, you know, answer our, uh, elongated
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questions and, and, et cetera, et cetera.
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Jesse, do you have any comments?
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Well, yeah, actually, um,
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jesse: along the lines of, um, the
golden nuggets of wisdom there.
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And I, too, am a fan of the great Dr.
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J.
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Vernon McGee.
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I wonder, do you have any, uh, scriptures,
uh, any scriptures that would fall under
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the category of wisdom in either, uh,
health, wealth, or, uh, And or wisdom
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itself, something that people can
hold on to, um, and help them through.
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Whatever they might be going through,
and not necessarily something bad, even
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something good, something to encourage
and to strengthen their resolve.
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dr francis: Well,
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jesse: I
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dr francis: guess so many, but again,
a couple I've been reflecting on,
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I tend to reflect on two or three.
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During the week, or one this week I
was reflecting on, is Ecclesiastes,
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a book that you hardly ever hear
from, uh, Ecclesiastes 12, 13, and
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that's a, a, a wisdom book, you know.
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Stephen of Simon, yeah, 12, 13.
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He said, well now let's, and this
is not a diarheal quote, but let's
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consider, uh, what the whole purpose
of He's given all this knowledge.
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What's the purpose of all of this
knowledge in the long run, anyway?
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What is, what is, he said, what
is the whole purpose of it?
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He said, well, the whole
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To work.
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Well, that, but you know, to
love the Lord and to serve Him.
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You know, let me just read it.
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I thought we were finished,
but I'm going to hold you up.
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That's okay.
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dr choctaw: We've
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dr francis: got time.
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Ecleziastes, if anyone, I
think it's in there somewhere.
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Ecleziastes 12, 13 says, and this
is the NASB, so it's not as, it's
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not as complicated It is fancy as
the KJV, but it says the conclusion
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when all has been heard is quote,
feel God and keep his commandments
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because this applies to every person.
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So what is the conclusion of
all of the, the wisdom and the
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teaching and the training and
the discipleship, the conclusion?
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When you wrap it all up, when all has
been heard, it is fear God, and that
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idea of fear God doesn't necessarily
mean shaking and trembling in your
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boots, you can, but it could be.
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to obey him and keep his commandments
because this applies to every person.
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That's it.
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That's, uh, uh, and in Psalms,
uh, 1 15 is another laser Wilson.
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This is and I'm not going to read
all the first, but the first by the
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first Six verses of Psalm 115, Not
to us, O Lord, not to us, but to your
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name give glory, because your love
and kindness, because of your truth.
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Why should the nation say,
Where now is their God?
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But our God is in the heavens.
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He does whatever he pleases.
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Their idols are silver and gold.
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The work of man's hand.
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And it goes on to talk about they
have eyes, they can't see, they
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have ears, they can't hear, they
have a mouth, they can't talk.
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You can just, if you want to read that
115 Psalm, that's what it talks about.
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But the idea is, again, our whole duty is
to fear God and to keep his commandments.
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Bottom line.
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That's Whistler.
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All right.
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dr choctaw: On that note, we will end.
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Okay, thank you so
much, uh, Robin Francis.
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God bless you and may you continue
to do your extraordinary work
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and leading as you have been.
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And, um, we are going to wrap up here.
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Uh, as we always like to say, we like
to, uh, tell all our listeners to be the
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change they expect to see in the world.
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Uh, thank you and have a great day.
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Thank you all for having me.
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dr francis: God bless you.
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All right.
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God bless you too.
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Take care.
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