From El Salvador to St. Stephen's: Building a Thriving Hispanic Ministry with Pastor Rivas

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: We want to
formally welcome Pastor Jose Uribes to

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the Health and Wealth and Wise podcast.

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And we're absolutely excited with
the information that he's going

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to share with us and with our

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Pastor Rivas: audience.

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All right.

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Well, thank you very much,
gentlemen, for having me.

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Really, it's a pleasure.

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Uh, to be with you guys and
also, uh, uh, greetings to all

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the audience, uh, you guys have.

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I mean, uh, to me personally, you
know, just your, uh, your ministry

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here, uh, locally I'm, I'm from St.

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Stephen.

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So, uh, for those who don't know, uh, Dr.

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Choctaw, it's from St.

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Stephen too.

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And he gives some, uh, some of the.

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Uh, they say lessons of life, um, a
monthly, and that's been a blessing to me.

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So, uh, to have me and this, and
to be in your space, uh, and this

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podcast is a really blessing.

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Um,

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Dr. William T. Choctaw:
Thank you very much.

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Pastor Rivas for that.

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I might also add that Pastor Rivas
was one of the people that, uh,

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Jess and I both talked to, uh, who
encouraged us to do this, you know,

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back when we were just talking about
it being a, um, a monthly masterclass.

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And I approached him and I said, well,
do you think that would be reasonable?

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You think people will listen?

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He said, yeah, no, I
think you should do it.

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I think, I think that's a
great idea, blah, blah, blah.

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So in effect, he's sort of
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genesis of this, so to speak.

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So, so Pastor Reeves, why don't
you sort of tell us about yourself?

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Pastor Rivas: Well, uh, I'm
married, uh, to my beautiful

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wife, Blanca, for 29 years.

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Wow.

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Three quick kids.

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Uh, the oldest is 27 now.

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Wow.

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I'm getting old.

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I'm not old already.

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And my youngest one is 22.

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Uh, the, as a matter of fact, it was.

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When, uh, the 16th of April, uh, turned
22, my youngest, uh, kid, so, um, and

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now we're living here in La Puente,
California, and currently I'm serving as

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a pastor for the Spanish ministry in St.

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Stephen Missionary Baptist Church
in that church, in that city,

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and um, it's been a blessing.

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Also, um, coming from my My native
country, it's El Salvador, so,

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uh, that's how I came into St.

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Stephen for the Spanish ministry, uh,
because my native language is Spanish.

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So, if you want to speak
Spanish, we can go ahead too.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Si, si senor.

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So, so, so tell me about the, the,
the Spanish language ministry and

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how it, it, it, uh, evolved and how
it works within the overall, uh, St.

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Stephen's Church ministry, which
is predominantly African American.

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So, how does, how does,
how does that work?

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That's gotta be pretty interesting.

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Pastor Rivas: Um, Well, see, Dr.

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Jack checked out.

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Um, and for those who are listening
to, I mean, I came into St.

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Stephen, um, as a mission, as a
planter, my pastor, my Spanish

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pastor, or the church I grew up.

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to, uh, Dr.

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McCall.

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And, uh, they were the one, uh, who made
the connections to, I, I didn't even

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know about that person or, or, or much
less being a, being a pastor, talking

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about, uh, uh, the opportunity to start,
uh, Uh, Spanish, uh, um, church, you

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know, to plant a church on this thing.

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And if we could use one of the premises,
uh, Stephen, uh, you know, we have that

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little house across the street, we'll
call it, and that's where we started it.

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So, and then, um, uh, that was in 2004,

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this thing.

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So I was, uh.

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As a mission from El Camino Church
from East LA, but in 2014, that's

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when I became, uh, part of St.

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Stephen, uh, after, uh, being pastor
and, and, and seeing that it was

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more, you know, strategically,
uh, um, more convenient.

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For the work of God, you know, to
come under the umbrella of and use

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the premises as a, as a one church,
not, not, not two different churches.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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So, and that's how, uh,
uh, we become part of it.

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And it's been, I mean, it's
been a wonderful journey.

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I mean, it's, uh, Like
you said, I mean, uh, St.

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Stephen mentioned that the English
congregation is, uh, Afro American

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church, you know, and we're Hispanic.

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So, uh, it's I would say I,
I thought it was going to be

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harder, you know, to, to merge in.

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Right.

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But on the contrary, you know,
it was been, uh, we, uh, we were,

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we received, I mean, we were,
uh, received very, very well.

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I mean, people, uh, St.

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Stephen.

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To the point that I can
tell you that we are St.

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Stephen.

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Right.

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Understood.

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We're not part of St.

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Stephen.

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We are St.

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Stephen Espan.

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That's what we call it.

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No.

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Uh, so, uh, it's been a, uh, uh, a,
uh, a real camaraderie and also I think

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it's has to do with the, you know,
the goal that we have as a church.

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As a congregation, you know, the work that
we have for the community and the work

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that we have ultimately for the, uh, to
bring people onto the knowledge of God.

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Right.

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So, and that's what I think it has
made it easy and, uh, and a blessing.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: If there were
other pastors or ministers, let's say,

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that you would know, um, who would come to
you, and let's say they may be Hispanic,

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um, they may be, um, um, Korean or,
or whatever, and they're interested in

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doing something similar, whether it's St.

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Stephen's or somewhere else.

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What, what advice would you give them?

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Pastor Rivas: Uh, see, it's
one thing that's in common.

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Uh huh.

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What we are, who we are, and
the common is the gospel.

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Our goal is to bring people
to the knowledge of God.

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Okay, got it.

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On this thing.

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So, uh, everything else
just falls under it.

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So, uh, I think if you know,
if you, Uh, wants to do that.

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If your goal is that, you know,
uh, it wouldn't be in, you should

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have no problems because the
problems that we sometimes have

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it is, let's say, Oh, I'm Spanish.

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So we do things this way.

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Oh, I mean, it has its own place.

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Uh, for example, uh, let me
just put you in a sample and

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you said this is free, right?

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So yes, yes, it is.

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It's not going to be running
over, over the past, not to worry,

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: but
he will be listening though.

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Pastor Rivas: But that's the thing,
uh, what I'm saying, you know, because

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in the Spanish and, uh, and the
English is different, uh, especially,

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um, the way, uh, let's say worship.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Uh huh.

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Pastor Rivas: Hispanic, we're more upbeat.

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Okay.

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Right?

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Animated.

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More animated.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's it.

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When we came here with Dr.

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McCall, you know, St.

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Stephen was more not so
much animated like today.

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It was It was more conservative,
let's put it that way.

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Okay, subdued, subdued.

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Yeah, on this thing.

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So, um, there were pastor who will
come up to me, but you're not going

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to be able to work because you know,
the differences, it was, you know, the

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way we worship is not the main point.

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Right.

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You know, I mean, the main point is.

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That you worship.

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Yeah.

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Just to worship however we do it
and that's one of the things to do.

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In other words, if the goal is to be a
blessing, you know how Paul would say

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to the Greeks, I made myself Greek, to
the Gentiles, I made myself Gentile,

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: just

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Pastor Rivas: for the reason or for
the goal to bring him to Christ.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Yes.

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Pastor Rivas: So, uh, when we have our
own personalities, even our ethnicity.

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You know, and, and the way of, of that
goal, that's when we have a problem, but,

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uh, you know, otherwise everything works,
it comes to the river, you know, uh, where

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that purpose is, is, uh, um, it helps.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Yeah.

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And I think that's why it's important
that, that we, and we humans, and it's

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probably human nature that we want to
have our part in our way of doing it.

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I have my way of doing it, and if you
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it wrong, and I'm doing it right,
and I think, you know, um, service or

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worship is above all that, you know,
that we, we look different, and we act

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different, and we may talk different,
and be different heights, and different

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weights, and whatever, whatever, um, but
that difference is, is, is, is a benefit.

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Pastor Rivas: The, what
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Uh, a person or whatever is the
uniqueness, you know, the, uh, how would

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I say the way you are, the way that
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from the moment that you are different
because of something else, just to

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adapt on this thing, then you're not you
yourself and whatever effect you have.

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You know, it's not, it's not, uh,
how would I say, it's not unique.

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It's not, it's not truthful because
it's based on something else.

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But, uh, when we are different, like
you said, I mean, definitely in that

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city on this things, you know, uh, the
respect comes that you are different.

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You know, and, and, and, and, and I can
enjoy you same thing as you can enjoy

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me because of the goal that we have,
because the people that you are, the

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people that you can influence, I may
not, but I can influence, you may not.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Right.

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We all have our purposes.

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Pastor Rivas: Right.

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But if we have that goal,
that that's what I'm saying.

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You know, that, that's,
that's a myth thing.

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And with, uh, St.

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Steven and the leadership that we have
here, I, you know, uh, uh, that's,

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That, that's the wheel of the boat.

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I mean, in other words, uh, the, the love
for God, the way out on these things.

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And, and, and, and there is no, uh,
no big you, little me or, or whatever,

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but, uh, we're all God's servants
serving God's people, you know.

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Uh, this place.

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So I think that that's
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So going back to the question, you know,
if I will give an example, I mean, I

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give an advice to whatever, uh, next
city or a different from our to come to

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a pastor to come over here, just just
be yourself, uh, in the relationship

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you have with God on this things.

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And respect and respect all the others
and then that will do because, uh,

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we have to be, how to say, um, uh,
you know, how, how can I put it?

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We have to be wise in a sense
that, um, you have to be effective

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because that's the goal, you know,
to affect more people, to multiply,

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to somehow influence, you know, Yes.

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Or whatever you have.

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So if you're not an influence, you
have to be real to yourself too.

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You know, I mean, in other words, because
if your goal is to influence somebody

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into know God, so you have to, you
have to be, if you're not doing that,

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you have to talk to you, to yourself
and say, okay, why am I not doing?

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So if I have to bend, um, you know, I
will have to, that was the concept of,

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you know, You know, I'll make myself
a Greek to the Greek and just for the

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purpose to, to, I mean, I will ban to
that, that person, because my goal is to

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bless them and to bring him to Christ.

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Right, right.

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On that, so is that humility?

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It ha you have to have that
humility too, and and the same

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time, is that the way you are?

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Um, and the other thing is, in
other words, whoever you are

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is the most powerful testimony
that it can influence somebody.

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Yes, because it will come
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so that's one of the things.

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That's what I did with St.

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Stephen.

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Is that, uh, back to the point that I said
I I, I'm more like, yay, . More, more,

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more animatic, . Right, right, right.

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Animated . Animated.

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We love that too, by the way, , you know,
I, I, I just said, I just did one thing.

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Is that because I can't, I mean, I
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Uhhuh, you know, in, in a sense.

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I just wanna be me and the
relationship that I have with God.

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If it's real, God's gonna back it up.

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Yes.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I mean, uh, uh, I'm just you and I mean,
I just it is just me and you So whatever

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i'm doing, you know, that's what I am.

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So if i'm not if i'm not received
Well, that, that, that's, uh, what

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I say, I mean, I can do nothing.

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You, you,

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Dr. William T. Choctaw:
you be yourself, right?

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Yeah.

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And we all grow.

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We all grow and we learn and we develop.

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Um, and that's why our diversity ends
up being our strength, not a weakness.

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It's a strength.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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What, what are your goals for
your Spanish language ministry?

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Long term short term.

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Pastor Rivas: Well, uh, my goal is
just to be a church, uh, uh, as the

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English church in that case, you know,
in such a way that it can have, uh, you

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know, um, uh, different ministries on
to just to multiply on those things.

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Uh, and, and, and the
other is to have that base.

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Oh, that foundation to do mission,
you know, to, to, to, to go out

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and, and, and in terms of missions.

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Dr. William T. Choctaw: Well,
God bless and, um, be the change

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you want to see in the world.

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All right.

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Take care.

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Bye bye.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Pastor Rivas.

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Bye bye.

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Bye.