From Plasterer to President: The Power of Perseverance and Community Leadership

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Coming up on this

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episode

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of the

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Healthy, Wealthy and Wise podcast.

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To that point, I remember when I told
people I wanted to run for city council.

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These are my friends now.

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They laughed at me.

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They said, why in the world do you
want to do something like that?

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You're a doctor.

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You got your own office.

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Why do

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you want to do that?

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Welcome to the Healthy, Wealthy,
and Wise podcast with Dr.

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William T.

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Choctaw, MD, JD.

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This podcast will inform, educate,
and motivate you to live a more

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healthy, wealthy, and wise life.

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It's powered by the over 50 years
of medical experience of this Yale

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University Medical School trained
surgeon, who Also received his Juris

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Doctorate from Western State Law School.

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He has executive experience as a
former mayor of Walnut, California,

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as a chairman of the non profit
Servants Armed, and as president of

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Choctaw Medical Group, Incorporated.

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You've got questions or concerns,
he's got answers for both.

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So let's listen in on an
interview already in progress.

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Let

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me ask you, just to switch course, do
you feel that, um, modern day churches,

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um, and I'm particularly talking about
churches in the minority community,

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are doing all that they should be doing
to get young people involved and to

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teach them things that we were taught,
certainly, you know, and a lot of that

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teaching came from the church, you know,
growing up, um, and that sort of thing.

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Um, I, I, I think they're trying,
but they don't have the same,

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uh, enthusiastic like we had.

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Mm hmm.

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And why is that?

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Because we had to fight.

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We had to fight all
the way for everything.

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We did.

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We did.

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We had to fight for education, we
had to fight for jobs, we had to

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fight for everything we had to do.

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We had to push them back.

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That's true.

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And these kids now don't have that.

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Yes.

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Mm hmm.

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Um,

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the ministers, the young ministers, they
don't have the same feeling that we had.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The old ministers, they,
they had to work hard.

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They had

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And they just, they had a
job to do in the church.

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They had a job to take
care of their families.

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They had to just work all
the way around, you know.

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Yes.

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And there was no easy jobs like these.

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Ministers could have now, you know.

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Understood.

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They had to labor then, you

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know.

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It was labor then, now it's
not so much labor, you know.

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Understood, understood.

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My grandfather was a plaster.

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I mean, he had to work hard.

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So somebody plaster, you
know, it's a hard job.

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Absolutely.

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I had to carry a hard form, you know,

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I would come home from school.

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In the summertime from the job, my
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table, I would go to bed, I would go to

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bed.

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That physical labor.

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you know, that's true.

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It's a different.

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It is.

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It's a different lifestyle.

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It's it's definitely

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different.

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And like I said, people think different.

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They don't think that way.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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I mean, it was, you had a little,
I think back then you had a little

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fear to go along with your courage.

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Nowadays, they don't have
the fear that we had.

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And things get worse.

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Right, right.

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That you could lose that job and
be out on the street and couldn't

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support your family, right?

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Or lose your life.

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That that's, that's true.

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That's true.

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No, you don't.

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I mean, you might get beat up a

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little bit or something like that.

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But I understand.

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So, I mean, I think everything's
just totally, totally different

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than it was 60 years ago, you know?

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And I just believe that these young,
young people understand how, well, even

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people 70 years old or 70 years old and
50 years old, they don't have the same

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understanding that the old people have.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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And I guess that occurs in all
generations, but you're right.

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It's more profound now.

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Well, because you need them on the
front lines, you know, as those of us

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who are getting older, transitioning
off, you know, folks need to take our

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places, you know, to keep it going.

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Like in our Sunday school, when you
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rights and all that kind of stuff.

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I look around when you're talking.

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And they don't seem to
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Understood.

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I noticed that too.

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That I am.

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Yeah, no, I understand.

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I noticed that too.

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I mean, I want to, sometimes I
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you know, say, hooray, you know.

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I don't think that these people understand
what you're trying to put through.

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You've got to, you know, Joshua.

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Yes.

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At the Battle of Jericho, they didn't
stand around and wait for Right,

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something to tell the

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They fought for their rights.

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Yes, oh, I, I, I hear you, I hear you.

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God said do this.

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He told them to do this.

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He didn't say, well, sit
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He told them to go and fight.

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I think, I think one of the most serious,
um, um, um, um, um, problems, if you

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will, um, and whether you're young
people or old people, whoever, whoever

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is the belief is there's nothing I can
do, you know, or I'm just going to wait.

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I'm just going to wait, and all of a
sudden, something will tell me what to do.

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Well, you know, the whole, I always
think about this analogy of people talk

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about this guy on the roof and the waters
are rising around his house, and people

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say, you know, you need to come with us.

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And then he said, no, no, no, I'm
waiting because God's going to save me.

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And people in a boat come by and
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airplane come by and say the same thing.

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And he says, no, I'm
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And when he finally passes and,
and, and meets his savior, he

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says, well, why didn't you save me?

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And God said, I sent you a
boat, I sent you an airplane.

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My point is that God, that we, that we
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hands and feet of God, that, that, that,
that there's nothing going to come out

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of the sky and say, go left or go right.

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That's already in us.

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We know what to do.

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We know what's right and we know
what's wrong, you know, and this

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whole thing, no, just sit and wait.

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You know, no, put your head in the
sand, uh, you know, or saying, well,

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um, um, yeah, you can vote, but it
won't matter because it's already

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been decided, you know, and if, if,
if God wants X, then it'll be X.

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So then, so that's the contradiction.

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So you tell me my vote doesn't count,
you know, um, and see, and I just,

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I, I, I have difficulty with that.

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I think, you know,

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I think God hasn't changed.

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over the years.

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God wants you to do something.

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Yes.

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He wants you to give his message,
but he still wants you to get

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up and fight for us right.

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He wants you

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to take action.

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You know, we can all, you know, I, I pray
every day, but that alone is not enough.

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I gotta, as some people say, do something.

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You gotta do something, you know, and, and
I think that's, that's what leadership is.

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And that's what our young people will see.

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Well, I see my My dad and my granddad
and my mom and my grandmom, I'm,

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I'm, I'm going to go march with them.

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I'm, I'm going to go, um, you know,
serve at a food bank with them or, or

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whatever, but you got to do something.

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You got to do something.

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I don't care what it is, but

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just do something.

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I mean, I don't know

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more than go out and, uh, see
somebody on the street and feed them.

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Right, right, right,

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Uh, like, like the deal is,
when you buy something, Uh huh.

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At a store, leave some money
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Anything, you know, just

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anything that, Well, you know, to
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ago and I was just shocked by this.

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I occasionally would go to McDonald's.

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I don't mind admitting it.

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I'm a doctor, but I do go to McDonald's.

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I'm being honest here.

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But I remember one time I went and I
pulled up and did my order, you know,

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get my order and I got ready to pay.

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And the lady said, no, they,
they, they pay for you.

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The people in front of you paid for you.

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And I said, what people?

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And they said, well, they just left.

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They just flew along, but they,
they said to pay for you also.

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And I had never heard of that.

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So I said, that is so cool.

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I had no idea who they were.

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So I started doing that, you know, I'll
go and I'll get whatever I'm going to get.

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And I'll say, you know what,
uh, here's blah, blah, blah.

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And I don't know them.

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I don't know who they are or whatever.

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But my point is I've learned to
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I think are basically good and
doesn't matter what color they are.

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I think all people are basically good.

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Um, and, and I think you, you
still have to do something.

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You pass it on, you know, just to help and
you don't have to know who they are and

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you don't, you don't want to thank you.

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You just said, I'm just doing it because
God has blessed me and I can do it.

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And, you know, one of these days I may.

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need to have somebody do
this for me, type thing.

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Um, what

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I'd like to do, my wife has a

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sticker in the car for, you
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You know that Bruce, right?

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Right.

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The wheelchair, right?

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Yeah.

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Um, but if I, if I see a parking
place, right, you want to start,

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I'll park in the other one.

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Okay.

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Because they might be somebody
worse off than we are.

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I understand.

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So you could use it, but you
give it up to somebody else.

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Right.

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Somebody else could be worse off.

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Yes, I understand.

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I think that's great.

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I think that's great.

253
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And things like that.

254
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I mean, there's so many
things we could do.

255
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Yes.

256
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And you didn't have to wait for some
spirit to tell you that you, you

257
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knew that because you'd already been
told by the Holy Spirit or whatever,

258
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you know, uh, and you just do it.

259
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You just do it.

260
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I do.

261
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I mean, I do it all the time,
you know, yes, I understand

262
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it becomes a habit, you know?

263
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Yes.

264
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And I think that's the thing.

265
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It doesn't matter what we do that,
but we can, we need to do something.

266
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We need to do something.

267
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I don't care what it is.

268
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We just need

269
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to do something.

270
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Yes.

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with voting.

272
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Yes.

273
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Uh, I'm going to be on my, well,
my kids vote, but I'm still

274
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going to be on my grandkids.

275
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Okay.

276
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They vote too, but I, I'm just
going to preach that they got

277
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to get their friends to vote.

278
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Yes.

279
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Yes.

280
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Sons, friends, you know, because you'd be
surprised how many people that don't vote.

281
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Yes, yes, yes.

282
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That never voted.

283
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Yes.

284
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I mean, I was watching TV and, uh,
these talk shows, you get people on

285
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there, celebrities that don't vote.

286
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Yes.

287
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Yes.

288
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That doesn't make sense.

289
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No, no, it doesn't.

290
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It doesn't.

291
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It doesn't.

292
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And I think a lot of times people, um,
there's so much, I think the enemy creates

293
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chaos, you know, and so even if you don't
understand all of it, if, and, but if it

294
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just disillusions you, if it makes you go
home and sit, then it's achieved its goal.

295
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You know, uh, to make you think,
well, again, like we were saying,

296
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your, your vote doesn't matter.

297
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There's nothing you can do
one person to change stuff.

298
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Of course you can do
stuff to change stuff.

299
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Otherwise people wouldn't be so
much trying to stop you from, from

300
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voting or doing things like that
because they recognize how powerful

301
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that is and how important it is.

302
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And

303
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like I said, they don't know their,

304
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uh, Congress.

305
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I mean, uh, local people,
they don't know that.

306
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And this is the other
thing I dislike about.

307
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Yes.

308
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We're trying to find out what
the judges are that you vote for.

309
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Yes.

310
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We don't know if they're
Republicans, Democrats.

311
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Yes.

312
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And it's purposely made vague that way.

313
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Yep.

314
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And you cannot find out about it.

315
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Uh,

316
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I mean, you research, you
cannot find out what they're.

317
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Policy is.

318
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Yes.

319
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Yes.

320
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And they tend to stay in
office for a long time too.

321
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Yes.

322
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Because a lot of people just go down
the list, just go down the list.

323
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Right.

324
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I may rule if I don't know somebody,
I, I don't vote for him anymore.

325
00:14:00,609 --> 00:14:03,819
I, I don't, I, you know, I, I just, yeah.

326
00:14:03,819 --> 00:14:03,849
A

327
00:14:03,849 --> 00:14:07,235
judge, you should know what,
what political power he has.

328
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,080
Yes.

329
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Because they have power.

330
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Yes.

331
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They have power.

332
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They have power.

333
00:14:12,775 --> 00:14:16,615
I, I had grown up all my life just as
we were talking about living within

334
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the civil rights movement, you know, in
the deep south and that sort of thing.

335
00:14:21,545 --> 00:14:25,285
Uh, and, and, and, but I've, my, my
goal had always been to go to medical

336
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school and I was blessed to do that.

337
00:14:27,285 --> 00:14:33,415
But what I've learned though, is,
Um, uh, power is really in the law.

338
00:14:33,435 --> 00:14:35,505
I'm talking about power
within the country.

339
00:14:35,505 --> 00:14:39,064
Now, certainly there, there's, there's
power in medicine and you can have

340
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influence and you obviously help a
lot of people, but in terms of helping

341
00:14:43,204 --> 00:14:48,875
more people simultaneously, that tends
to be legal, you know, um, and so I

342
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went to law school and, and, and I
learned the difference between the two

343
00:14:53,074 --> 00:14:54,865
that, that I didn't understand before.

344
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And my point is both are
important, but, but you wanted.

345
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exercise those civic duties, you
know, like what you said, no, no, who

346
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those judges are before, before you
put that circle in there, you know,

347
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don't just do it to do it as, as a
perfunctory thing, but, but do your

348
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research, you know, and, and be happy,
you know, be comfortable with, with

349
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your decision, but, but, but take it
seriously in essence, what you're saying.

350
00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,830
Um, and I think that's our duty.

351
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That's our right to do.

352
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Absolutely.

353
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No, I

354
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mean, Marries and all that kind of stuff.

355
00:15:31,075 --> 00:15:34,085
We don't the average person don't
even know who their marriage

356
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is.

357
00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:38,764
That's true Well, you know and since you
mentioned let me just give a quick shout

358
00:15:38,774 --> 00:15:43,814
out to miss lauren franklin Who is running
for city council in the great city of

359
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baldwin park, california And we wish her
we wish her all the best in the world.

360
00:15:49,415 --> 00:15:54,444
I I just think it's extraordinary Young
people men and women boys and girls who

361
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who get involved in politics You You
know, um, and, and I think because that's

362
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a way to having that influence over a
large number of people getting outside

363
00:16:04,825 --> 00:16:09,225
of your comfort zone, uh, and doing
that, uh, I think that's very important.

364
00:16:09,254 --> 00:16:11,195
We want to encourage our
young people to do that.

365
00:16:11,964 --> 00:16:14,655
Did you know the McNeil's
from Baldwin Park?

366
00:16:14,964 --> 00:16:15,615
Uh, no.

367
00:16:15,684 --> 00:16:16,094
That's right.

368
00:16:16,964 --> 00:16:20,265
That goes back, uh, in the 70s.

369
00:16:21,265 --> 00:16:21,865
Okay.

370
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60s and

371
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70s.

372
00:16:23,444 --> 00:16:28,055
Yeah, cause I, I, I
moved down in like 78 on.

373
00:16:28,395 --> 00:16:30,944
So, yeah, early on I would,
yeah, I didn't know that I

374
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was They were pretty cool.

375
00:16:33,125 --> 00:16:33,395
Okay.

376
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:35,130
Strong political people.

377
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:35,890
Uh,

378
00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:40,405
name That was Fred McNeil.

379
00:16:40,405 --> 00:16:40,855
I think

380
00:16:41,035 --> 00:16:41,395
that was

381
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it.

382
00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:43,705
The name sounds familiar.

383
00:16:43,705 --> 00:16:46,375
I may have seen it somewhere, but
I, I didn't know them personally.

384
00:16:46,375 --> 00:16:47,569
They were, uh,

385
00:16:49,545 --> 00:16:56,950
the old man had two or three sons
and they played football, Uhhuh, , a

386
00:16:56,950 --> 00:16:58,345
couple of 'em became lawyers.

387
00:16:58,345 --> 00:16:58,375
Uh,

388
00:17:01,435 --> 00:17:01,930
well, you know what?

389
00:17:02,405 --> 00:17:04,975
Is that right?

390
00:17:05,405 --> 00:17:09,015
To that point, I remember when I told
people I wanted to run for city council.

391
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These are my friends now.

392
00:17:11,254 --> 00:17:12,295
They laughed at me.

393
00:17:12,694 --> 00:17:15,765
They said, why in the world you
want to do something like that?

394
00:17:15,775 --> 00:17:16,765
You're a doctor.

395
00:17:17,004 --> 00:17:18,365
You got your own office.

396
00:17:18,595 --> 00:17:21,124
Why do you want to do that?

397
00:17:21,224 --> 00:17:26,004
And they said, don't you know that most
politicians are, are, are, are dirty?

398
00:17:26,004 --> 00:17:27,325
And I said, well, I'm not dirty.

399
00:17:27,665 --> 00:17:28,544
I'm not crooked.

400
00:17:29,024 --> 00:17:30,935
I said, so I'm going to do it anyway.

401
00:17:32,925 --> 00:17:36,664
You wanted to help people
and that's a good way to

402
00:17:36,695 --> 00:17:36,855
do

403
00:17:36,855 --> 00:17:37,145
it.

404
00:17:37,290 --> 00:17:39,230
Well, it made me a better doctor.

405
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:42,700
It honestly made me a better
physician to do something that

406
00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:44,580
was completely non medical.

407
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:49,060
I met people who are still my friends
to this day who I would not have

408
00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:54,369
met had, had they not been, um,
um, you know, had I not done that.

409
00:17:54,369 --> 00:17:57,364
And so I, I, I'm still
very grateful for that.

410
00:17:57,765 --> 00:18:01,145
And anything that you want to share
with us before we let you go, we

411
00:18:01,145 --> 00:18:03,065
want to be respectful of your time.

412
00:18:03,385 --> 00:18:08,404
And you've been very gracious to share
with us your words of wisdom and anything

413
00:18:08,415 --> 00:18:13,135
you want to leave, uh, that you would
want the world population to know.

414
00:18:14,254 --> 00:18:24,895
Well, I would, I would, I would like
to see more unity in, in every phase of

415
00:18:26,955 --> 00:18:27,665
the church.

416
00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:28,865
Yes.

417
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,080
I would like to see more unity
in every phase of government.

418
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,560
Yes.

419
00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:43,810
Um, and I think we just need to pray for
all the things that God has given us.

420
00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:45,110
Yes.

421
00:18:46,340 --> 00:18:52,280
And be thankful that we do
have a life worth living.

422
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,160
Yes.

423
00:18:53,380 --> 00:18:53,770
So,

424
00:18:55,340 --> 00:18:58,120
that's, that's about all
I have to say about that.

425
00:18:58,930 --> 00:19:01,690
So, Brother Wes, what would
you like to say to your wife?

426
00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:05,140
She's in love with life and she is blind.

427
00:19:05,555 --> 00:19:11,245
My life, I mean, we've been together
66 years and I cannot do without her.

428
00:19:11,825 --> 00:19:18,055
Well, brother Wes, you know, as, as,
um, uh, uh, uh, esteemed leader of

429
00:19:18,085 --> 00:19:23,505
the local NAACP, how many years were,
were you president of the NAACP?

430
00:19:23,604 --> 00:19:24,959
Well, I was vice president.

431
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,640
Our president, for some reason, vacated.

432
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:30,970
I don't know where she went.

433
00:19:37,004 --> 00:19:39,325
I hung on until Jimmy Dixon took over.

434
00:19:39,705 --> 00:19:40,145
Okay.

435
00:19:40,784 --> 00:19:41,925
Until we had a new vote.

436
00:19:41,935 --> 00:19:48,255
So, um, I just, I don't
hear from him anymore.

437
00:19:48,645 --> 00:19:49,175
Uh huh.

438
00:19:49,274 --> 00:19:49,695
Uh huh.

439
00:19:50,254 --> 00:19:51,814
Because I, I, I didn't move.

440
00:19:52,145 --> 00:19:57,004
I didn't, you know, and I just,
for some reason, Didn't rejoin.

441
00:19:57,004 --> 00:19:57,254
So

442
00:19:57,914 --> 00:19:58,554
that's okay.

443
00:19:58,604 --> 00:19:59,245
That's okay.

444
00:19:59,434 --> 00:20:01,034
You're still doing the work.

445
00:20:01,164 --> 00:20:01,745
You still do.

446
00:20:01,774 --> 00:20:05,134
Whether it's one person or 100
people, you're still doing the work.

447
00:20:05,144 --> 00:20:07,475
But, well, we, we thank
you for your service.

448
00:20:07,965 --> 00:20:16,620
Um, thank you for, uh, being that example
of leadership that we, we We needed back

449
00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:21,650
then and we still need now and indeed
those who go on after you, you know,

450
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:25,810
your children, grandchildren, great
grandchildren, it's because of the, the,

451
00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:31,840
you ran your leg of the relay, you know,
and as you and as we all quite honestly

452
00:20:32,170 --> 00:20:37,740
pass that baton forward, um, our job
is, is, is to run our leg of the relay.

453
00:20:38,185 --> 00:20:41,355
Um, and we, we thank
you, sir, for doing that.

454
00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:44,125
Uh, keep, keep praying for me
in the Sunday school class.

455
00:20:45,025 --> 00:20:48,774
Yeah, I will do that, I will do that.

456
00:20:48,775 --> 00:20:48,935
And

457
00:20:48,954 --> 00:20:51,104
you know why, I'll shout at you.

458
00:20:51,105 --> 00:20:54,164
I'm praying for you with this program.

459
00:20:54,364 --> 00:20:55,355
I enjoy this program.

460
00:20:55,725 --> 00:20:56,685
Oh, well, thank you.

461
00:20:56,735 --> 00:20:57,155
Thank you.

462
00:20:57,165 --> 00:20:58,324
Thank you very much.

463
00:20:58,324 --> 00:20:59,114
Thank you very much.

464
00:20:59,115 --> 00:21:02,725
Destin, do you have any questions
before we let Brother Wes go?

465
00:21:03,624 --> 00:21:04,385
Not really.

466
00:21:04,385 --> 00:21:08,364
However, uh, because you've touched
on a number of them, but I too want

467
00:21:08,364 --> 00:21:12,184
to thank you for joining us this
morning, uh, Brother Wes there.

468
00:21:12,435 --> 00:21:18,304
And, um, we may have spoken about it
in the past, but I too am from Ohio.

469
00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:19,750
Oh, that's right.

470
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,530
That's right.

471
00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:21,260
I forgot that.

472
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,650
What part of Ohio?

473
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,060
I'm from Dayton, Ohio.

474
00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:28,750
Oh, I got, well, no, I didn't
get, I was going to say I got

475
00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:32,329
ran out of Springfield, Ohio.

476
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:33,049
That's not too far

477
00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:33,560
from it.

478
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,070
What was that?

479
00:21:36,009 --> 00:21:41,510
And, um, and also, um, you are
what we consider, A change maker.

480
00:21:41,530 --> 00:21:44,530
The doctor and I were part of
an organization called Change

481
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,780
Makers Communications LLC.

482
00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:53,599
And, um, you and your life, your
past and your present life, uh,

483
00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:56,310
are examples of what that means.

484
00:21:56,709 --> 00:22:00,150
Um, and, uh, we wanted
to thank you for that.

485
00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:06,780
Uh, keep, uh, keep, uh, going,
keep doing and keep being, sir.

486
00:22:08,649 --> 00:22:13,659
I'm very appreciative of your
life and what you are doing in

487
00:22:13,659 --> 00:22:15,890
your life with your children.

488
00:22:16,875 --> 00:22:17,715
God bless you for that.

489
00:22:18,585 --> 00:22:19,155
Yes.

490
00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:20,205
Yes.

491
00:22:21,135 --> 00:22:25,305
Okay, brother Wes, you have
a terrific rest of your day.

492
00:22:25,605 --> 00:22:28,785
Thank you for listening to the Healthy,
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493
00:22:28,785 --> 00:22:31,305
William t Choctaw, MDJD.

494
00:22:31,845 --> 00:22:35,655
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495
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496
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498
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