Law School to the White House: Kamala Harris's Journey of Breaking Barriers with fellow UC Hastings College of Law alumnus Bernie Brown

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Coming up on this episode of

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the Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise podcast.

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Or they'll turn away legitimate voters.

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Yes.

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They'll, you know, if a person is
not a citizen, does not show proof of

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citizenship or residency or whatever,
then they will just turn them away.

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Or alternatively, they will keep a
record of people who may have been

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allowed to vote that should not, in
their opinion, have been allowed to vote.

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So they can later come and.

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Say before a judge.

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Well, before we couldn't prove
it, but now we can prove it.

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Because we have the information.

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We have the evidence to
prove that those Democrats

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are corrupt.

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Welcome to the Healthy, wealthy
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You've got questions or concerns,
he's got answers for both.

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So let's listen in on an
interview already in progress.

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Well, you know, it's interesting because
when we look at threat to democracy

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from the Democrats perspective, there
are various conspiracy theories out

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there, and some of them seem May or
may not be true, and some of them are

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turning out to be, uh, verifiable.

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Um, the allegation is that, uh,
first of all, Trump has been, as

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you know, for years now, been, uh,
sending out that message that the

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election was stolen from him before.

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It's likely that he will do the
same again if he loses the election.

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Yes.

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Uh, the attempts that are, that are
being made now is that the, it's been

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alleged that Trump is, is basically
stacking key positions in state,

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uh, uh, governmental positions.

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Uh, agencies, uh, electors, uh,
secretaries of states are being stacked

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with Republicans so that they can
ultimately be placed in a position

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where they can either do a lot, deny
the election, uh, or, or refuse.

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To certify the election, which will throw
the election into a state of disarray.

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Uh,

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that, that, that is true.

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Um, they, but the caveat to that
is, number one, the, the governor

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is the CEO of the state, 50 states.

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And the governor is the CEO of the state.

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The electors basically have
a ministerial position.

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There's no power with that.

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And as they're fighting in the
state of Georgia now to get the.

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to basically take over that board
and kick off those folks who are

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on that board, who are just there
for purely political reasons.

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Part of the challenge, I think,
that the ex president and his

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conspirators have is that they're
They have to do it in plain sight now.

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They can't, they can't catch
people sleeping and sort

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of sneak it in, number one.

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Number two, going back to your earlier
point about the concerns about,

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on the right, about conspiracies
and bad stuff that's happening,

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most of that was litigated.

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90 percent plus or probably 99 percent
plus of all those cases were thrown out

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by the court, thrown out by the court,
so that in spite of the fact that people

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had these fears and thoughts and the
Giuliani's and a lot of those attorneys

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were Who pushed that stuff have either
lost their licenses or are in or are

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in jail and or on their way to jail.

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So my point is they tried this movie
before and it didn't end well and

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they obviously going to try it again.

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But because we know it's coming.

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I believe that people can be prepared
when I said people, I mean the, um, the

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individuals in the democratic party and
their lawyers, uh, who've already been

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selected for all 50 states, uh, and who
are going to go to war in the courts.

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They are saying, and don't make
me into the devil's advocate,

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they

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couldn't prove it because all of the
pollsters, I mean, all of the poll

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workers were, were, were Democrats,
were dominated by Democrats who did

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not keep the data that would have
proven that the election was stolen.

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Yes, but the judges in those cases were
mostly Republicans and these are smart

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men and women and whatever the evidence
is or is not, they're intelligent

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enough to make a ruling one way or
another based on what's put before them.

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So it doesn't matter what the Democrats
did or didn't do is what the judge says.

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As I was taught when I was in law school
and in the courtroom, the judge is God.

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You can't argue with her.

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You can't do any of that.

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You just have to go by what they say.

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Yes, but they are saying now, and
you are making such great points.

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I feel like I'm losing this case.

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But

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what they're saying now is that they're
putting these poll workers into place.

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They're installing Republican poll
workers who will do the following things.

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If a person shows up and they do
not meet residence requirements,

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they'll turn away legitimate voters.

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Yes.

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They'll, you know, if a person is
not a citizen, does not show proof of

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citizenship, Or residency or whatever,
then they will just turn them away or

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alternatively, they will keep a record
of people who may have been allowed

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to vote that should not, in their
opinion, have been allowed to vote.

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So they can later come and say before a
judge, well, before we couldn't prove it,

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but now we can prove it because we have
the information, we have the evidence.

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Evidence to prove that those Democrats

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are corrupt

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. I I will certainly agree that
voter suppression is the problem.

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I will not, I will not disagree with that.

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However, my argument is voter
suppression's been around a long time.

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I grew up in Nashville,
Tennessee, you know, and, um,

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uh, Tennessee is a great state.

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I love it.

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It's been good to me.

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Uh, but my point is voter suppression
has been around a long time and it's.

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I believe that the Supreme
Court has loosened a lot of the

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guideposts that were in place to
protect against voter suppression.

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Nevertheless, that being said, the
Washington Post has a great tagline

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that says, democracy dies in darkness.

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My point is, we are no
longer in darkness now.

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We're, we're, we're, we're high noon.

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And all of these voter suppression
efforts, many that work.

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But we know what they are.

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But more importantly, the litigants
and the legal team and the

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Democratic Party know what they are.

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And their job is to counter all
that state by state, episode by

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episode, instance by instance.

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And I think with the candidate, i.

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e.

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Kamala Harris, being a prosecutor
like yourself, I might add, and as a

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matter of fact, it's just an aside,
didn't you go to the same law school?

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Yes, we did.

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Oh, that's what I thought.

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So ladies and gentlemen, we have,
we have brother Brown, who went

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to Kamala Harris's law school in
the great state of California.

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You can't get better insight than that.

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So he was taught by the same people
who taught her, but I digress.

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So my point is that.

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You know, darkness dies in darkness is
the tagline for the Washington Post.

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And the point is, uh, that the points
that you're making are absolutely true.

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But I think because we know what's
coming, we've seen it happen before.

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I believe that the legal team, and
I'm sure they're good, smart people

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from Hastings and Yale and other
places, uh, will be able to fight

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that battle appropriately, uh, in, in,
in, in the courtrooms and, and win.

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Yeah, well, uh, my rebuttal, well, I'm
informed that they are also stacking

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various states with secretaries,
Republican secretaries of states that will

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deny the election, uh, deny the vote that
will refuse to certify the, uh, the vote.

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for their state, which will throw
the entire process into disarray.

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There's no question that
some of that was true.

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But remember the secretary
of state is a public office.

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You have to run to be secretary of state
in, in, in most places, my understanding.

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And my point being very, very, very
honestly is that because they are public,

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you know, they, the opposition or the, or
the democratic legal team knows who they

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are, has them on a list and has already.

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Uh, or it will soon have a
plan to deal with each ones of

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them and each one of the 50.

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So it can't be more than 50 of them.

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And with the legal team that the
Democratic Party has, I think

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they can, they can handle them.

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It's not going to be easy, but
I think they can handle them.

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You know what, I'm starting to
change my position here, huh?

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I'm starting to wonder now

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whether it might be, it might not be.

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I can even tell you who's
head of her legal team.

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It's a guy named Messina.

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Uh, Messina was part of the Obama team.

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And, uh, his job, and you know, he's
been all over TV this week talking about

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it, his job is to, and I forget, he has
a fancy name for it, legal task force

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for blah, blah, blah, 2024, whatever.

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But, but he's got, and I think
they have over a hundred lawyers.

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over and many of whom are volunteering
because as, as you said, they too are

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concerned about democracy in this country
and they're saying, well, what can I do?

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And they're saying, well, I can volunteer,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So my point is, it's a problem.

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I don't disagree with that.

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I just think that, um, uh, they'll be in
better shape to fight it, but we'll see.

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Well, I still think that there, and,
and man, you're making a strong case.

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I still think that there is a
chance, a good chance that Trump

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will do a repeat, uh, and that he
will once again, challenge the vote.

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As Bernie Sanders indicated, he's
already laying the foundation to do that.

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I don't doubt that.

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A challenge in the crowd
size of Kamala's campaign.

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Campaigns and saying, Oh, that she
really doesn't have that much support

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and saying that the, the polls that show
her leading are false and are untrue.

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And so he's already setting the foundation
to, to conduct another, a second

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insurrection, people all riled up and get
them to storm the Capitol again to storm

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the building and to declare, and wow.

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I'm dying.

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No, no,

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no, no, no, no.

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I understand what you're saying.

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Come for a quick pause.

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What is?

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Trump was able to do the things he
did with the people storming the

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Capitol because he was president.

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He was sitting in the White
House on Pennsylvania Avenue.

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In 2024 or 2025, he will not be sitting
in the White House on Pennsylvania

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Avenue, even if he wins the election.

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Joe Biden will.

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Joe Biden will.

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And trust me, Joe Biden is not going to
allow Trump people or anybody else to To

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come to the Capitol and do what was done
four years ago while he's still present.

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He's not going to have
that part of his legacy.

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That's just not going to happen.

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If he has to call the sum of
the military, he will do that.

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He's not going to have that
happen and he's going to protect

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Kamala Harris at all costs.

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He's going to protect her at all costs.

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And that's an interesting point because
I had a good buddy a while back who

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was a, he's just a diehard Republican.

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Uh, and, and he was,
he's a police officer.

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He's a retired police officer now.

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Right.

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And he just believed he ate it all up.

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All the Trump stuff, believed it all.

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And it just occurred to me that if he
had still been a police officer, and

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if his job was to defend the Capitol,
Because his belief was so strong

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that he would, he would have turned
against, uh, his own, his own duty and

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would have said, Oh, I believe Trump.

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I believe that the system that the
election was stolen and that he

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would have been, uh, Refused to stop
the insurrection and might've even

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joined in it into the insurrection.

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So there's a danger, you know, if, if,
if Trump can convince enough people

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in the military and in law enforcement
that he, that he won, even when

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he lost, if he could do that, wow.

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Uh, if he can get them to turn
against each other, uh, then we

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could have a different outcome.

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In this, in this upcoming election.

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I, I think, I think that's a fair point.

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I think there's no question in my
mind that some of the people who

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stormed the Capitol were probably
involved with law enforcement.

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I, I, I don't doubt that.

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I don't doubt that at all.

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But I think the problem is the numbers.

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Again, there are 370 million
people, give or take a few, uh,

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um, uh, members of the population
of the United States of America.

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I don't know what percentage of them are,
are in law enforcement, but my point very

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simply is that because of January 6th,
um, a lot of the law enforcement people

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have turned against that authoritarian
approach, uh, because a lot of them say,

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wait a second, I didn't sign up for this.

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Even a lot of the folks who were,
who were Put in jail, renounced,

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said, you know what, I, I, I,
I don't know why I did that.

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I, you know, maybe they were just
saying it, but my point is, um, when,

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when, when you get put behind bars,
that sometimes creates a certain

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degree of reality, you know, it gets
rid of a lot of that theory and that

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raw, raw stuff, you know what I mean?

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And, and I think the same thing with the
attorneys who, you know, who were running

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around with all these theories and helping
them out, losing, losing that license,

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losing that law license, whether you
practice or not, it doesn't matter, but

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losing it, uh, is a huge smack, you know,
and folks don't want to go down that road.

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Uh, and I think the other thing is
because everything that he has done,

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I'm talking about, uh, the ex president
and his people has been done before.

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It's not new.

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It's not new.

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Um, the folks know that whenever he opens
his mouth, most of the times it's a lie.

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It's not new.

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He flip flops back and forth depending
on what the circumstances are.

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You know, first you're against abortion,
then you're in favor of abortion.

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First you're, Guess I'd be
up and then you're a favor

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of IVF, you know what I mean?

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And my point is that, you know, and
not only with the mainstream media,

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but with all the internet types
of media around, you just can't

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get away with stuff like that as
easily as a politician as you could

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four years ago, eight
years ago, 12 years ago.

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