Lifelong Learning and Respect: The Keys to Success with Educator and Mentor Clifford Higgins

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Coming up on this episode of the
Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise podcast.

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Yeah, there's a kid that I, you know,
had to call his parents and tell them,

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you say, you're going to be suspended
from school for X number of days.

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And now when I see them later,
they now appreciate that.

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But here's the thing though, I
saw what the key to that was.

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William T.

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Here's Dr.

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William T.

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Choctaw, MD, JD.

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When, when, when you are, um, um,
um, say meeting with your staff,

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it's interesting you mentioned about
being a disciplinarian because what

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I always remember about my school, we
were always afraid of the principal.

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You know, they said, well, we're going
to send you to principal Higgins.

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Oh God, no.

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What did I do now?

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So there was always this,
this intimidation and fear.

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But my point is, I think you have a
unique perspective though, by being

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involved with young people, uh, and
in a role of a disciplinarian, um, uh,

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because you have to have a philosophy
that basically helps the child.

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You know, you want to correct
the child, but you don't want to

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destroy the child at the same time
or reinforce a negative behavior.

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Um, and it's interesting to hear
you say that you would tell them,

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I'm not saying you you a bad
person, you made a bad decision.

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And I think making that distinction,
I think you helped a lot of kids, uh,

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many times who you will never see again.

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I may not ever see again, but they will
remember that, that, that principle.

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And I was terrified of him and,
and I thought he was going to

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do all these horrible things or
sell these horrible things, but

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he was really a pretty nice guy.

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And so I think that's a huge win.

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Yeah.

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And I appreciate that because, you
know, I do experience that, you know,

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Um, even to this day, because you
do run into former students, okay,

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whether it's, you know, uh, at the
mall somewhere, or at the store.

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And, and, and this is, these are students
that, you know, they, they perhaps maybe,

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you know, when you were, uh, at the time
they were, you know, at your school as you

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serve as a disciplinarian, uh, they may
have always been on their best behavior.

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But one of the things that.

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It's most satisfying the most, and
I'm sure you can attest to that, is

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that when you see them years later
down the road, they, they, hey, Mr.

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Higgins, man, oh man, yeah, you were cool,
man, you were cool, you know, and that's

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a warm feeling to know that, yeah, it's
a kid that I, you know, had to call his

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parents and tell them, you, hey, you're
going to be suspended from school for

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x number of days, and now when I see
them later, they now appreciate that.

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But here's the thing I saw
what the key to that was.

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Even as a classroom teacher,
one of the things I will

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say, um, as an administrator,
mm-Hmm, , I missed the classroom.

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Okay.

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I missed the, okay.

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And so when I had students in my office,
I used that as a teachable moment.

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Tho those, yes, those decisions that
they made, that landed them in my office.

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Okay?

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Now, you know, I would always sort
of walk me through what happened.

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Yes,

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that's how I would begin my conversation.

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Walk me through what happened here.

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You know, and so it's nothing to slam
them to come down on them to mean them

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and to, you know, ridicule them and
yell at them that that was one of the

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things I never did was yell at students.

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Okay.

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It was, you know, Walk me
through what happened here.

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You treated them with respect.

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I treated them with respect.

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Yes.

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Yes And and every now and then, you
know, some students will kind of

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get under your skin a little bit.

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Oh, yeah But for the most part
I treated them with respect.

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Okay, and and they appreciated that
because You would often see kids

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when they come to school, okay?

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You don't know what
they experience at home.

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Exactly.

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They'll walk through those gates every
day and you don't know what they've

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encountered at home on the way to school.

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And so I said, you know what, let me,
you know, be out in front of the school.

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And you know, fist bump them or
high five them, you know, treat

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them with respect, welcome them.

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And then when they come to my
office, it's the same thing, okay?

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You're going to be treated with respect.

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And, uh, parents, too, that I learned
this because they sometimes don't

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agree with your decision making.

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And I will use this phrase all the time.

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I said, ma'am, I appreciate the fact
that, you know, um, you don't agree with

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that, you know, uh, perhaps your child
is going to be suspended, but, but, but

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please, you know, uh, understand that,
uh, this decision has to be made, but,

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uh, Um, I wanted, I want you to know that
in this decision making, your child was

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treated professionally and respectfully.

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And, and one of the things that I can hang
my hat on, and I say this not to toot my

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own horn, but I, I try to sometimes share
this with parents of all the disciplinary

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situations that I've encountered.

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Not one parent stood up before the
board of education and say, Mr.

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Higgins is unfair to my child.

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Okay.

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Never happened.

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Wow.

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And I've done a lot of discipline
on, on, on my years and this is

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high school, he's a teenager.

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High school.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Almost 30 years of it.

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Right.

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Not one parent.

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And then mind you, Board of Education,
those are public meetings where

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you can go up and speak your mind.

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Say

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whatever we want.

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That's right.

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Bring

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them in to the door.

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But not once has any parent walked
up to that board and said, Mr.

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Higgins is unfair to my child.

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And so I say this to say that I
said this to say that, you know, I

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attribute that to just making sure
that you treat others with respect.

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And that is quite a 30 year legacy.

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I mean, I think, uh, and
you're exactly right.

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A lot of those circumstances, most of
us are, but you had no control over

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because you didn't know what was going
to come into your office, but you had

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to be ready with a certain process
of mutual respect, mutual trust.

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Trust and good communication to say,
my, my goal here is to help this child.

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Oh, that that that's my focus.

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That's my goal.

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And even the way you would start off by
saying, walk me through X and tell me

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what happened that's showing respect.

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Because what you're saying is
I'm, I'm not going to start off

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thinking that I know everything.

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I'm going to need you to
tell me what I need to know.

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Uh, and I'm going to respect
you enough to listen.

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I'm just going to be quiet and
have you tell me blah, blah, blah.

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Uh, they said Albert Einstein once said
if I had 60 minutes to solve a problem,

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I'd spend 55 minutes defining that
problem and five minutes solving it.

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So when you ask them to walk you through,
you're saying define the problem for

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me before I jump to any conclusions.

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You know, tell me what happened
to make me help me to understand

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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That itself is showing respect.

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And many times we can say respect,
but we got to make sure we show it.

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And my point is you were showing respect.

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You weren't just saying it.

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Yeah.

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And, and, and I'm glad you
mentioned that because And

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again, it was a learning process.

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Okay.

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Uh, I appreciate, uh, the, the,
the principal who hired me.

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Um, she gave me good advice.

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He said, you know, uh, she said,
Cliff, you're going to make mistakes.

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Okay.

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But just two things.

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Remember, okay.

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Be honest.

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Okay.

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And be truthful.

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Okay, just just make sure that you
are just you're truthful about so

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if you a parent says, you know, uh,
why did you return my phone call?

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Don't don't don't send a message.

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Oh, didn't you get my message?

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No, just be honest that you didn't
know You know, I did return that phone

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call but the part about you mentioned
about you know, that that um, Not

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rushing to any type of judgment.

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I did have to learn early on Um, because
you have some savvy parents out there.

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Okay.

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You have some parents that
are doctors and lawyers and I,

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and you don't know them all.

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So one of the times, uh, I was handing
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particular student and the parent asked
me a question about the case and I

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didn't have the answer and that parents
says, well, wait a minute, you mean

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you're going to suspend my child and
you don't have You know, all the facts.

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And I learned early on right there.

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Yeah, there you go.

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All the facts.

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Yes.

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Everything down before I perhaps now call
that parent or before I have minutes.

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So now that that in that in it
didn't tell me now talking to

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teachers, you know, because I wasn't
there when the situation happened.

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Okay.

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So when I had the interview, you
know, you had to be really thorough.

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Yes.

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You're dealing with lies.

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You're dealing with lies.

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You know, that can hurt
them now down the road.

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And so that's why I always begin, walk
me through, start with the student,

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then I will get other information.

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But you have to have the facts before you
can administer it to have a consequence.

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The only thing you do, and I think it's
important that you know, and this is

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just my experience with you as my son's
school teacher, and just seeing the

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reaction, you have a type of humility.

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I've always believed that
humility was a sign of greatness.

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Yes.

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That people who are humble and when
I say humility, I mean, the fact that

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you're willing to sit down with a 16
year old male, you know, who's angry

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with the world and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, and say, you know what, I'm

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going to listen to you, you know, tell
me a, b, c, d, e, that's showing respect.

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And it's also showing a certain degree
of humility that I'm going to give

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you this opportunity because I'm, I
really am trying to help you here.

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So help me help you.

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And my point is that.

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You, you are walking that talk or have
been walking that talk by your actions.

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A lot of people say it, but
they don't really do it.

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You know what I mean?

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And it has the opposite effect.

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But when you say, okay, um, um, Mr.

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Chartoff, tell me why, why
you hit Johnny in the mouth.

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Tell me what happened.

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Tell me what led up to that, you
know, before I make these decisions.

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And at least, you know, even,
even in court, you have an

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opportunity to plead your case.

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And so as, as the, you know, the, the,
the administrator and the, and the, uh,

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the judge to some extent under those
circumstances, uh, you were fair and just.

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And that goes a long way to achieving the
goal that you're trying to achieve in the

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first place, which is to help the child.

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You know, your goal is to have the
child and my point is that I would

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argue that's that's exactly what you've
been doing for the last 30 years.

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Um, and others see it, obviously
the children see it and that's

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why they come up to you and
say, you know, thank you, Mr.

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Higgins.

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I'm, you know, good to see you.

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Otherwise they wouldn't talk to you.

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They'd be in the opposite direction.

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Yeah.

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And I knew it's time to,
you know, leave because.

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Um, I, uh, this past school year, they,
they also assigned me to become the

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principal of our community day school.

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Okay, so these are now the, the kids
who, perhaps because of a, uh, an

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infraction that were expelled from
the schools, but we, we, we, uh,

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educated our, our expelled students.

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So I was, I was the principal
of our community day school.

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And I said, okay, I know it's now time to.

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Uh, retired because, uh, the students
there, there was one student there, uh,

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that I had his father when, when I was
back as an assembly, way back in the

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early, you know, late 1990s, early 2000s.

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I'm like, wait a minute now, it
worked out beautifully because the

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father, he was a handful and now here
he is, his child is there you go.

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There you go.

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It worked out so beautifully because,
uh, at that school, it was just a small

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school, it was just a handful of students.

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I still had to treat it
as a big public school.

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I had, I had to have what's
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And so the school site council,
your parents, your community, their

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partners, and so I reached out
to this person who, whose son is

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there, I said, Hey, I need you to
be my school site council president.

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And he said, Oh man, so
great, I'd love to do that.

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You know, we appreciate it.

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He's a kid that.

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When I was a principal, I
disciplined him constantly.

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And so now he's my
student council president.

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There you go.

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And he's at the school that
the community schools go.

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But you know, it's time to go now because
I'm starting to get the kids of the kids.

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Well, I, I call it different phases.

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I, I, I used to tell my colleagues and
Serge, I said, I will never retire.

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I'll just go from one stage to another.

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I'll just go from one area to another.

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to another, uh, because I don't
know what God has for me to do.

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And I would, I would
communicate the same to you.

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You're just going from one phase to
another, and there's going to be a lot

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of great stuff there that with your
skill set and with your personality

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and your humility and your strength
and your courage, uh, you will be

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able to help others because I think
that's how God uses us to spread

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it around and spread it around.

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All right.

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So is there anything else that you
want to tell us or let me rephrase

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that our podcasts go to, um, about,
um, 90 something thousand people, you

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know, in terms of downloads around
the world, it's not just California or

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the States, this is around the world.

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Yeah.

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We've really been blessed
in the last year and a half.

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And so if there was a message that,
that, that you want to give, um, in terms

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of your philosophy or about anything.

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Uh, what, what, what
would that message be?

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Well, my message would be to use
what God has given you, okay,

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to further yourself in life.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And you know, God has given us a abundance
of gifts, okay, and use those gifts

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to improve your life circumstances.

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One of the things I
didn't share with you, Dr.

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Choctaw, is that, you know, of
course, I grew up very athletic.

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Uh huh.

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Okay.

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And I was able to earn a scholarship
to college based on um, athletics.

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Okay.

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Being an athlete.

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Okay.

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A lot of our young people, they can
use that avenue to get to college.

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But it has to start, it starts
in the classroom though.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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When recruiters come to school, when the
first thing they want to inquire about,

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yeah, they see you, you know, dribble
basketball, they see you run down the

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football field and block and tackle.

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One of the things they want
to see is those transcripts.

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And so, uh, one of the things
I want to do is, you know,

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again, help our young people.

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I've come across so many young people
that So, I was not able to step one

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foot on the college campus because they
didn't have the grades to get there.

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Okay.

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But yeah, they they uh can use
those uh athletic skills because

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they didn't have the grades to get.

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So, I want to help in that
area but I went to college.

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My daughter's with the college and on
the on the scholar of um uh athletic

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scholarships and so I went to college
there uh played uh basketball.

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Uh huh.

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Was uh all American basketball.

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Oh, congratulations.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah.

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And, and once when people, a
lot of people don't know, cause

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I don't share this story often.

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Uh, I was drafted in the, uh,
seventh round by the Golden

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State Warriors in the 1984 draft.

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Yes.

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And, and I, I, I share this.

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I have, I have, uh, two things
in common with Michael Jordan.

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Number one, we're, we're, we're,
we're both, we're both ball headed.

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And number two, He was the third
player picked in the 1984 draft.

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I was the 147th player
picked in the 1984 draft.

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So we're drafted in the same draft.

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Hey, that's close enough.

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That's close enough.

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But, but I was able to use my,
um, Whatever, you know, again,

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knowledge I had in the classroom
to earn an athletic scholarship.

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And I'd like to see more of
our young people do that, okay?

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But it starts with, you know, educate,
starts with, you know, hitting the books.

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And so I want to use, if there's
someone out there, there's a parent

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out there that, you know, yeah, I
have a gifted child, you know, he can

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probably make something of himself.

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You know, but it starts, okay, you know,
let's, let's look at this academically.

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How are you going to get from A to B?

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That's going to start.

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And so that's a lot, that's
the message I want to send.

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Use what God has given
you to further yourself.

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That's an excellent message, uh,
Brother Higgins, because I think

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many times what I've seen, the
reason why a lot of students don't

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make it is a lack of confidence
and confidence comes from doing.

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You know, you're going to
make some mistakes, you know,

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it's not going to always work.

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But if you keep at it, you just
keep, keep trying, keep trying.

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And then as you get a success, then
that confidence will start to build.

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And once that confidence
continues, then you will continue.

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You won't let anything stop you,
but, but it's, it's a process.

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It's a process.

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And a lot of times our kids, you
know, either get bad advice or get

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in the wrong direction and they never
get that confidence to come back,

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you know, particularly athletes.

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who may twist an ankle or whatever.

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And so they, they, they can't play the
way they want to play, but they don't

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have the academics to fall back on.

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And so then they become
frustrated, um, um, and, um, and,

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and feel like they're failures.

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Um, uh, Justin, do you have any
questions you want to ask brother

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Higgins?

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Um, real, I guess real quick, going
back to your nonprofit, Um, how

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do you see yourself, uh, measuring
success of, of your initiatives?

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So, you know, um, I see myself
measuring success based on my mission.

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And again, my mission is to, uh,
it's growing and empowering teams to

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make an impact in their communities.

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And so once we start to see the
fruits of that, when we start seeing

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teenagers, you know, now who wants.

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Like Dr.

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Chaka didn't have that confidence.

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Didn't think that they're
gonna amount to anything.

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They don't have the table, the, the, uh,
the stable home life, the, for that they

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can maybe focus or, or be, you know,
driven, uh, by, you know, someone that's

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not in that, that's not in the home.

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I'm going to measure my success based
on their success and mentoring them.

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And so, and I, and I believe, uh, with
the team, I'm going to put together

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of mentors, you know, people from the,
again, education field, the health field.

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you know, uh, the medical, you
know, uh, medical industry, a

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lot of different industries.

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Those are going to be comprised of
my mentors and we're going to go out

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and, you know, target, you know, teens
and, and so they can be successful.

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Now, now will they be aging out of,
of the program there or, uh, what

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is the, um, I guess the, the, the
demographic, the, the age group?

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Well, well, well, the demographics, you
know, would be, you know, again, it's,

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it's, it's, You know, I was going to
target, you know, uh, underserved, you

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know, students, but, you know, uh, right
now my, my focus is on your, your, your

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teenage age group, you know, from 13
to, and then age out, perhaps once they

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graduate from high school, I want to
see them get through high school now.

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Yes.

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Like most.

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Nonprofit or any organization,
you didn't want them to come back.

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Okay.

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And, you know, be a part of, so
now they can provide that same type

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of mentoring, share their success
stories with others who are, you

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know, and still in the program.

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And so it's, it's, you're never going
to age out in the sense that, you know,

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we always want to give back to you.

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We encourage you to come
back and help others as well.

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So that's the, that's that
long term, uh, projection.

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm sure we'll be speaking more
about that down the road there.

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But, um, it's great to hear that
you're doing something like that.

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And as the doctor said, that's
certainly something we can get

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behind in many different ways.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you so much.

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Yes.

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You, you're very welcome.

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Um, so Roman, uh, brother Higgins again,

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. That's fine.

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And, and that's a compliment.

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That's, that's a compliment.

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Uh, so Brother Higgins, I,
I, we wanna, I appreciate

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that.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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We wanna thank you, uh, for.

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I'm going to be spending some of your
very valuable time, um, on a Saturday

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morning to come and talk to us.

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Uh, you've clearly, uh, educated
me about some things that I

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had, I didn't have a clue about.

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Um, and again, I see an opportunity
where, where, where we can definitely

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work with you in whatever, um, um,
process you, you would like, uh, to assist

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you in doing the good work or some of
the good work that, that you're doing.

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Um, and so.

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Please feel free at any time you want
to come back, uh, just let us know.

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And, and that, that door
is always open to you.

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Well, thank you so much, Dr.

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Tochtow, Brother Jesse.

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I really appreciate, uh, you having me.

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I was honored, uh, even when,
you know, uh, you asked me to

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be a part of your, your podcast.

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Did he, did he leave?

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Uh, no, there he is.

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The signal is kind of, yeah,
uh, uh, varied over there.

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All right.

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Perfect.

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There you go.

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Oh, okay.

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No, no.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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No, I was going to say thank
you again for having me.

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I was honored when you first reached out
to me to be a part of the podcast and so I

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appreciate the invite and just, you know,
again, I think this was, you said, uh, you

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said this was God in the midst of working
here and now I feel like I'm a part of it.

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Thank you very much, much sir.

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And you have a terrific day.

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Enjoy yourself out there, . God bless.

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I the same.

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Thank you.

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God bless.

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Alright, thank you Byebye.

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Alright.

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