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Speaker 1: Coming up on this
episode of the HWWP.
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Speaker 2: There is no vaccine
that can kill the virus directly
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, and what I mean by that is
that's not how vaccines operate.
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They don't go in and kill the
virus or kill the bacteria or
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whatever.
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Speaker 1: This podcast episode
is sponsored by Choctaw Medical
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Group Incorporated. Also
sponsored by Bernie Brown
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Esquire, author of a
Prosecutor's Analysis of
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Personal Supernatural
Experiences. A collection of
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fascinating stories awaiting
your verdict Fact, fiction,
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fabrication or fantasy,
available in paperback and
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digital formats. Go to THWWPcom
to get your copy. Welcome to the
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Healthy, wealthy and Wise
podcast with Dr William T
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Choctaw, mdjd, where the doctor
helps you unlock your full
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potential by equipping you with
tools and knowledge in the areas
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of health, wealth and wisdom,
anchored in his experience as a
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business executive, a physician
surveyor for the Joint
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Commission, a former mayor and
over 50 years of experience as a
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general surgeon. You've got
questions, he's got answers, so
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let's get started. Here's Dr
William T Choctaw, mdjd.
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Speaker 2: Good morning. I'm Dr
William T Choctaw and I will be
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your host today. Welcome to the
Healthy, wealthy and Wise
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podcast. Each month, we strive
to provide you, our listeners,
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with mental, physical and
spiritual strength by giving
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actionable advice and tips,
guidance and information to help
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you achieve your own personal,
professional and spiritual goals
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. We consider the health of the
mind, body and spirit paramount,
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as a single unit that can
provide a cumulative strength
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greater than the individual
parts to strengthen the whole
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person. So today, sit back and
enjoy and come along on a very
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exciting journey with us. Today,
we're going to be talking about
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our COVID-19 spray vaccines
coming soon. Our COVID-19 spray
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vaccines coming soon. As always,
we like to start off with my
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beliefs. I believe life is about
being of service to others. I
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believe knowledge is power. I
believe leaders can change the
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world. We like to give you an
outline. This basically tells
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you what we're going to talk
about and, as importantly, it'll
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let you know when we're just
about done. You know you're very
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, very busy people with a lot on
your plate, and so we are very
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grateful and are pleased and
humbled that you've chosen to
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spend a few minutes of your
valuable time with us. We're
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going to talk about the new
COVID vaccine that's coming soon
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and that may already be
available. We're going to talk
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about the influenza versus COVID
vaccines and how they differ
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both in terms of type, quality
and methodology. We'll talk
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about messenger RNA and how this
novel approach to the COVID
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vaccine has changed forever
vaccine pharmacology going
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forward. And we'll talk some
about prevention in terms of
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helping you to stay safe. Well,
we know that every year now we
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have what we call a tri-endemic
influenza, and what that means
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is we have a tri-endemic. We
have three different types of
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viruses that may very well cause
infection in any one of us in
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any given year. One is the
respiratory sensitional virus,
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which does not affect a lot of
people most of the young but
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does occur. The influenza virus,
which is the most common, and
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then, of course, the coronavirus
, the COVID-19 virus, and so
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we're going to look at how
individuals can protect
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themselves, and we're going to
primarily focus on the flu
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influenza virus and the COVID-19
influenza virus. Just remember
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the basics of what works for all
of those is masking, wearing
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mask distance at least six feet
apart if possible, and hand
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washing. Those basics have not
changed and please keep that in
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mind. Survival from any type of
viral infection, certainly in a
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pandemic, depends on prevention
and treatment. Prevention is
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important to hopefully prevent
others from getting it or
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preventing the individual from
getting it again. Treatment is
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for you to get over the illness
that you have. But it's
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important to keep in mind that
vaccines primarily deal with
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prevention. The way I like to
think about it is that it's a
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preventive prevention. There is
no vaccine that can kill the
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virus directly. What I mean by
that is that's not how vaccines
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operate. They don't go in and
kill the virus or kill the
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bacteria or whatever. Basically,
what they do, which is
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ingenious, is that they go in,
the vaccines stimulate the body
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to produce antibodies or its own
mechanism and the cells in the
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body basically kill the vaccine.
Again, vaccines deal primarily
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with prevention and not
treatment. We'll talk about
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treatment a bit later on in this
discussion, but as we talk
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about vaccines, we're talking
about prevention. Administration
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of the vaccines basically are
two ways. We're talking about
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flu and COVID vaccines. Those
two ways are needle with an
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injection in the arm,
intramuscularly, and nasal spray
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. We're going to look at for
this presentation. We're going
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to look at the delivery
mechanism for vaccines Needle,
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the more traditional approach,
or nasal spray we're primarily
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going to look at the regular flu
that occurs every year in
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influenza and COVID-19, which
has been with us for
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approximately the last four
years. Let's start with the flu
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Now. We're all familiar with the
flu. We've all had it over the
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last many, many years. But let's
start even more basic. Before
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you get the flu, many of us get
what we call COLS, c-o-l-d.
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What's the difference between a
cold and the flu? Well, with the
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cold, you have mild respiratory
symptoms. You may have mild
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fatigue. Onset tends to be
gradual. You may have some
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headache or some nasal
discomfort. With the flu, on the
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other hand, you take all those
things and you've doubled them
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by five to 10 times. In essence,
the way I like to think about
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it, a fluenza is a very, very,
very serious cold. A fluenza is
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a very, very serious cold.
Influencers are associated with
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severe symptoms, oftentimes
muscle body aches throughout the
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body, usually with a sudden
onset, and can involve a fever,
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exhaustion or loss of appetite.
So, cold symptoms, flu symptoms
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let's go a little deeper Flu
symptoms and let's compare them
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to what we're talking about with
COVID-19, which clearly can get
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into respiratory difficulties,
shortness of breath, inability
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to breathe and all the other
problems that can be associated
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with that. So when we look at,
okay, how do we prevent this
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from happening? So what is our
basic prevention mechanism? Well
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, those mechanisms tend to be
vaccinations and with the
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traditional injection, needle
injection, we have to go to a
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facility, a medical type
facility, either inpatient or
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outpatient, and they inject us
with the medication With the
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nasal spray. You can do it at
home. So this would be a huge
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lift for individuals who have to
get vaccinations for COVID. So
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with the nasal spray, basically
we're talking about no needles,
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basically no pain. That's really
another step forward in this
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whole march toward providing
better care for all of us. So
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far in this country there's only
one nasal spray vaccine that's
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been approved by the FDA, the
Federal Drug Administration, and
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that's for the influenza,
that's for the flu. Presently,
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as of today and we're in
September right now there is no
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known FDA-approved nasal spray
vaccine for COVID. But those are
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coming and we'll talk about
that a bit later. But let's look
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at the flu miss and what have
we learned? Well, flu miss
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contains a weak and strain of
the virus, of the flu virus,
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that's made into a spray that's
injected into the nose, sprayed
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into the nose. That then
triggers the nose and the body's
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response to improve its immune
system and build antibodies to
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stop us from getting the flu.
Let me say that again Flu miss
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is a nasal spray vaccine for the
flu, only influenza that is
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injected into the nose, that
triggers an immune response in
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the nose and the body to build
antibodies that prevents us from
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getting the flu again or that
particular strain of the flu.
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Contraindications to the flu
miss, this nasal spray vaccine
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for the flu only one
contraindication is pregnant
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women, and part of that reason
obviously may be that the fact
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that you are injecting an old
virus, a dead virus or something
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that may create problems for
pregnant women. And the second
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is in patients who have an
immune system, an immune
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protection system, that there's
always a risk, obviously, if
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you're going to inject something
in them, even though it may be
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weakened, but if they have a
weakened system themselves, that
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may significantly increase
their risk. So we've talked
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about the mechanism, the vehicle
for vaccination. First with the
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flu, only one that has a spray.
Now let's go to COVID. One of
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the things that you may not have
recognized a few years ago a
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couple of years ago, basically,
when the vaccines first came out
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with COVID is that they came
about with the use of a novel
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new approach, and this was
what's called the messenger RNA
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approach, and so let's take a
closer look at that. Why is that
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such a big deal? One of the
reasons it's a big deal is that
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vaccines used to take years to
actually come online. It took
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years and, needless to say, we
were all in a crisis talking
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about the world now, the world
pandemic and so it was important
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to get those vaccines and get
vaccines as fast as possible. So
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you had pharmaceutical and
medical facilities working
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around the country, around the
world, to come up with a safe
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and effective vaccine to save
people's lives, and this was
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done. This was done and it was
done because it was decided to
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use this new approach that,
instead of the traditional way
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of using old virus or dead virus
in small amounts to stimulate
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new antibiotic production, it
was decided to use just a
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molecule of messenger RNA, which
had nothing to do with the
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virus, just a molecule messenger
RNA. Put that into a cell and
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then take that information that
has been made in the cell and
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use that to stimulate the immune
system. One of the things that
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this did, or confirm, is that
our cells have memory. Think
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about that Our cells, cells in
our body have memory. Now, we're
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made up of billions of cells,
billions and billions of cells,
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but each one of them has memory
that if you inject something
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into them directly or indirectly
, as in the case with mRNA, that
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the cell can remember what
message you left for them and
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can then actually act
accordingly if they're invaded a
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second time.
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Speaker 1: This podcast episode
is sponsored by Choctaw Medical
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Group Incorporated. Also
sponsored by Bernie Brown
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Esquire, author of a
Prosecutor's Analysis of
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Personal Supernatural
Experiences. A collection of
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fascinating stories awaiting
your verdict Fact, fiction,
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fabrication or fantasy,
available in paperback and
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digital formats. Go to THWWPcom
to get your copy, absolutely
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extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: So how does this mRNA
stuff really work? What the
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coronavirus is like is one of
those calls one of the causes of
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COVID-19 and was named for this
crown-like spike on the surface
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called spike proteins. These
are spikes that are on the virus
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itself and if you've ever seen
pictures of the virus, it's like
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a ball with a lot of little
spiky things on it. Well, that's
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important because there's those
little spiky things that the
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vaccine can attack and does
attack and ends up taking part
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of that material with mRNA. Put
it into a normal cell and have
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that cell replicate that spiky
protein type of substance and
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put it into the cell's memory so
that the cell can then protect
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itself in future attacks. What's
different about, again, this
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mRNA approach as compared to the
traditional approach, is that
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this new approach does not
contain any virus, small or
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large. This is completely novel
or different from any virus. And
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the second thing is when the
body responds. It can. Sometimes
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you may have like a mild
reaction to the vaccine, just
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like you normally do with flu
vaccine, but usually it's very
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mild a little fever, maybe a
little headache, a few tears,
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but usually that goes away. But
what I want you to remember is
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number one. Yourselves have
memory. Number two I believe
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that the work of the scientists
and doctors and epidemiologists
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and others that come up with
this new mRNA process for
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vaccination for the coronavirus
is just absolutely extraordinary
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. And so if we drill down a
little more about this mRNA
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process, we notice that again,
when the mRNA, messenger RNA
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that's what mRNA stands for goes
into the cell, it does not go
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into nucleus. Now let's back up.
Let's imagine that a cell is
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like an egg. The center part of
the egg is the yolk, that's the
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yellow part. What's around the
egg? Let's see if you fry it.
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What's around the egg is white
material. We'll call that
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cytoplasm. And then, of course,
the egg is normally in a shell
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before you crack it and put it
in a pan. The messenger RNA does
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not go into the yolk part of
the egg. It stays in the white
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part around the center of the
egg. Why is that important? The
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center of the egg, the yolk, the
nucleus is where the DNA is.
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That's where the message for
life, that's where the
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distinction between each of us
is developed and recorded.
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That's in the nucleus. This
messenger RNA does this work in
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the periphery, in the white part
surrounding the yellow yolk,
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and that's where it does its
work. That's where it replicates
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and transcribes this foreign
protein called coronavirus and
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strengthens the cell for future
battle. At Yale University, at
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the School of Engineering and
Applied Science, professor Mark
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Saltzman and others have been
working on an mRNA, but as a
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nasal spray, instead of getting
the injections for your vaccine
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based on mRNA. They, along with
many others, I might add, there
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are other labs around the
country, around the world, that
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are working on this and are
working on a spray that allows
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you the same degree of
protection using the same
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process, the mRNA process and
basically the mRNA is able to
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attack this spiked part of the
virus replicated within the cell
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in the cytoplasm, not in the
nucleus and then allow that cell
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to then to be able to create
its own antibodies, which are
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like foot soldiers that fight
infection of any type. The idea
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of a nasal spray is very good
and is attractive because it is
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injected directly into the nose,
which is where the virus begins
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. We're certainly where it does
most of its damage. It just
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makes sense that if you can take
something and you put it where
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most of the virus lives or is
going to be, that allows it to
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be even more effective. Keep in
mind it's through the nose and
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the mouth, when we cough, sneeze
, breathe, yell, sing, etc. Is
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how we spread the virus. There
are many labs around the world
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that are working on nasal sprays
as a vaccine for the
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Coronavirus of COVID-19. The lab
in India, the codeogenics lab
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in the US University of Hong
Kong lab in China and our own
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National Institute of Health
here in the United States. One
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of the things that's very unique
about this mRNA approach is
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that the package or the delivery
system of this particular virus
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, this particular spray, and the
information in this spray, the
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mRNA, is encased in a
nano-particle delivery system. I
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know that's quite a bit, but
nano means something that's real
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, real small. It's a special
delivery system that prevents
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the particle from being injured
or destroyed by the body Because
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, remember, the body does not
like any foreign invasion.
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Anything comes into the body,
the antibodies are going to be
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on alert and they're going to go
after it. You have to couch it
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in a way that it can escape and
slip through those normal
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defenses of the body so that it
can be delivered into the areas
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of the lung and parts of the
respiratory system that would
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then allow it to be in place to
stimulate those same antibodies
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to fight future invaders,
particularly coronavirus
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invaders. Transcription is an
important part of what the
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messenger RNA does, just very,
very quickly. Transcription just
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means it copies. It's able to
copy information from this
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coronavirus, give it to the cell
outside of the nucleus of the
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cell and allow the body to
produce the same information and
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create antibodies to that
information. A quick word about
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the most recent variant, the
most recent variants name is
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ERIS. It is different from other
coronavirus strains in that it
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is causing most of the new
strains of coronavirus that
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we're now seeing, certainly in
this country, since August.
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We're now in the month of
September, but the good news
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about it, though, is that it
does not appear to be that
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different from previous strains.
Why is that important? That's
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good news, because it means that
the vaccines that are based on
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last year's virus should be as
effective, if not more effective
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, against the upcoming virus
that we'll see, mostly in 2024.
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Remember, when you take the
vaccine in October or so
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September, october, November the
vaccine is effective and it
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peaks three months later. You're
taking the vaccine during the
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fall to protect you for the
virus that we expect to arrive
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January, february and March. The
other thing about ERIS, the new
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variant, and this variant is a
sub-variant of the Omicron
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variant. I'm sure some of you
remember the Omicron variant a
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couple of years ago. It was the
big, big change. This is a
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sub-variant of that, but again
it does not appear to be too
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different from the Omicron.
Consequently, we should be in
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good shape, hopefully with the
vaccines that we come up with
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this year. The latter part of
this year, I'm sure you remember
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the basic symptoms of COVID-19,
fever, fatigue and cough. It
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starts off with the respiratory
type symptoms, but it is clearly
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not limited to the respiratory
area. It can cause diarrhea,
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gastrointestinal problems,
abdominal pain, etc. Depending
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on the stage of the disease.
Obviously, one of the reasons
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why it is so devastating is that
it depends on what your
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preexisting medical condition is
. If you have ongoing medical
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problems, and this usually will
occur in those of us who are
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getting older, then that makes
obviously the virus even more
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dangerous and makes treatment
even more important. Speaking of
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treatment, again, leaving aside
the prevention treatment,
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specifically treatment like
Paxovid, which is a medication
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you can take as an outpatient,
or Redemzavir, which is an IV
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medication that you can take
also as an outpatient, have been
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quite effective in treating the
symptoms of COVID if given
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early and inappropriately. We're
in pretty good shape, but we
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want to stay ahead of the curve
and kill or destroy this scourge
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before it takes more beautiful
lives away from us. One of the
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things to keep in mind is that
COVID does more than just affect
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the physical. There's been a
huge emotional toll, both on
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patients and on caregivers, and
on family members and friends.
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And remember, as I like to say,
the mind, the body and the
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spirit are all connected and you
cannot affect one part of that
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triangle without affecting all
parts of that triangle. And so
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keep that in mind and be
supportive and thoughtful of
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individuals who are going
through stuff, particularly
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health care related stuff, and,
even if you don't know the
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details, but just give a kind
word, handshake, hug, smile,
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whatever Because sometimes that
itself can be therapeutic and
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can be very helpful. In
conclusion, flu mist right now
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is the only nasal spray vaccine
that's been approved by the FDA
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and it's only available for the
regular flu. All vaccines for
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COVID presently are given with
an intramuscular injection.
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However, many, many labs around
the world are working feverishly
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and most of them are in the
second and third phases of
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development, so they should be
getting close and not here to
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develop the nasal spray variety,
which has many advantages that
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we've talked about earlier, and
it is something that I expect to
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be available either the latter
part of 2023, or in early 2024.
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