Protecting Your Freedoms in a Changing World with Dr. William T. Choctaw and Attorney Bernie Brown Discuss

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Coming up on this episode of the
healthy, wealthy and wise podcast.

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I used to think a few years
ago that democracy was safe.

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Yes.

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Well, it was secure.

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Yes.

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Maybe, you know, maybe I, there are a
lot of things going on in the world, but

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at least democracy, the vote is secure.

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At least majority rule is secure.

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But now, you know, like So many other
Americans, uh, I look at it as a baby

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that doesn't stop.

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Welcome to the Healthy, Wealthy
and Wise podcast, a podcast that

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provides actionable information and
tools you can use to live a more

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healthy, wealthy, and wise life.

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This is the Special Brothers
in Law edition featuring Dr.

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William T.

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Choctaw, MD, who is also an attorney
and attorney Bernie Brown, a

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former Los Angeles city prosecutor.

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Let's join the conversation.

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Well,

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ladies and gentlemen, we are completely.

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I'm truly delighted to have one of
our, our, our, uh, supreme, uh, no

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pun intended, uh, uh, guests and, and
interviewees, uh, from the very beginning

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of our podcast, um, attorney Bernie Brown,
um, who has stopped by, uh, he's, he's

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a very busy guy, but he's, he's, he's
been gracious to stop by and be willing

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to share, uh, some, some, uh, brief
moments of his time to just to give us his

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thoughts about some of the things that are
going on in the United States of America.

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You know, we're all good Americans
and we've been blessed to live in

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a democracy and have freedom that
most people in the world don't have.

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However, like everything else,
those freedoms Tender to the ebb

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and flow and what is important is
to be able to understand what's

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going on to participate and to still
stay grateful and stay positive.

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So welcome Bernie, happy to have you.

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Well, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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You have such an outstanding program here.

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It's such a great contribution
to mankind and to the world.

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So many people are appreciating
it and it's really a good thing.

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Uh, there's so many things going on
in the world now that are of concern.

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Uh, especially with all the potential
wars and the Ukraine and Russia and,

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but uh, back to the Supreme Court.

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The Supreme Court is really
shocking me in so many ways.

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Okay, and tell us about that.

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Well, for years, historically I can
start that the Supreme Court was maybe.

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Ideologically motivated, but not
necessarily politically motivated.

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But some of their recent decisions
are pushing me to a different opinion

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You know, but the real big decision
that's coming is the decision

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regarding presidential immunity.

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Oh, is that, that's, and most all
legal scholars would be shocked if

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the Supreme Court grants complete
immunity, complete presidential immunity.

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I mean, Uh, from any type of criminal
prosecution, ordinarily, ordinarily,

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the case is that as a prosecutor,
prosecutors, let me step back,

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as a prosecutor, prosecutors have
immunity for their decision, but that

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immunity only extends to decisions.

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that are relevant to and
relate to the performance of

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their duties as a prosecutor,

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as

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a prosecutor.

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So, it doesn't extend to personal
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activities, uh, so it's limited.

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And we would think that the
Supreme Court will do the same.

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The question will be whether they will
delineate how specific they will become.

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It's certainly likely that
they will say, no, absolutely.

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A president does not have complete
presidential immunity from

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all types of criminal conduct,
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Conduct that's not related to their
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president of the United States.

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That seems very likely, but
will they specify, how, uh,

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how deeply will they delineate?

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Is, is the question, the, the
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the legal experts are pondering.

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Well, you know, that was one of the things
that they, they taught us in law school.

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I, and let me, uh, preface by saying,
um, uh, Attorney Brown is a prosecutor.

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He's not a defense attorney,
was not a defense attorney.

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So, so this really touches him more,
if, if not most, than, um, felons

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or anybody getting away with crime.

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and being protected with crime.

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So, so when, when you hear his
passion about that, about this, it

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is genuine, uh, it is deep and it
is very, it is very, very important.

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But one of the things that we've
always taught to your point, Bernie,

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is that when you listen, when you read
a Supreme court decision, listen to

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the dicta, D I C T A, what you said
is what they say between the lines.

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A lot of times they give you.

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About where they're going and what,
what you can do later and whatever.

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So it's not just the yes or no,
it's how do they say yes or no?

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Uh, yes.

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And, and, and that'll be one of the
things that I'll be looking for.

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And I think that's one of the things
that you were addressing, uh, just then.

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Yes.

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It's, uh, like you said, they,
during their discussion, they will

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tell you, uh, their direction.

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The same thing has been applicable to.

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Uh, abortion issue, uh, uh, they kind
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ruling has opened the door to all other

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cases, to all

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other laws that are, and so, you
know, now we're in a situation where

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we're trying to predict what will they
rule with regard to certain new laws.

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Uh, that have been adopted in
certain states on abortion.

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Uh, will they go back to a trimester?

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Is the, uh, life of the, is it okay
to save the life of the mother?

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Uh, would an abortion be
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Uh, they start off really broad
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just up to the states to decide.

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Right.

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And when the states decide, they
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like, Okay, well, wait a minute.

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I didn't say you could kill mothers.

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We've seen it all throughout history.

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Uh, candidates who become president or
are elected to, uh, Senate or Congress

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or various positions and you, you
know, the discouraging thing is when

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they're first elected, nothing happens.

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It's like, well, nothing changed,
but then things do start to

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change, you know, a little later.

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Here's the fight with,
with President Trump.

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He appointed his, uh, pro life.

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Justices, and they got
Roe v Wade overturned.

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The same thing with virtually every
other law, every other freedom we have.

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Women's rights, uh, with regard to
slavery, all of these, uh, had to

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do with Uh, elections over time that
where candidates were elected that

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passed laws that made a difference in
our government activities with regards

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to all types of rights, search and
seizure, all these laws that we have.

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So it's important to vote
to get a candidate in.

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That supports positions
that you believe in.

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Yes, yes.

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So that they can,

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uh huh, go ahead, I'm sorry.

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No, no, no, I was just saying, it's
one of the reasons why, in addition

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to having the young people, asking
young people to go to medical school,

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I tell a lot of them, go to law school.

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Because law, the law
is where the power is.

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As a physician, you know, you, you have
influence and you can do good and all

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that, but, but the law is much broader,
um, and you can affect more people than,

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than on and on and on and on and on.

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And of course, some, some people do both,
but I, I have, I have a lot of respect for

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the black letter law and I, I, I loved it.

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I loved history in high school
and, and, and you're right.

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You know, we're, we're seeing it
unfold good or bad, but we're seeing

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it unfold right, right in front of us.

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Um, in terms of voting and
everybody vote in November,

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I used to think a few years
ago that democracy was safe.

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Yes.

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It was secure.

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Yes.

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Maybe, you know, maybe I, there are a
lot of things going on in the world, but

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at least democracy, the vote is secure.

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At least majority rule is secure.

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now, you know, like so many
other Americans, uh, I look at

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it and say, maybe that isn't so.

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Maybe, uh, because, and the reason
being, because if you can challenge

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the system and say that the system
is corrupt, and if people believe it,

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that the system is corrupt, then you
can, you can undermine the system.

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Democracy.

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Because, you know, it's all based on
people following the laws, following

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the rules, and believing in the system.

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So

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it's an amazing thing to be able to
say, at this point, to say, oh man,

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I thought it was safe, but you know,
that could be a civil war, you know,

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in the US it actually did happen.

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I thought it was inconceivable.

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But it is actually impossible.

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Let's just hypotheticalize, if Trump
loses again and says it's corrupt

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again, And says that the whole system
is corrupt and gets a whole bunch of

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people aroused and says this time I want
you to storm the system and blah blah

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blah blah blah and they
follow it and do it.

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Well, but, but you know that, that,
that's one big caveat with that.

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Thank you.

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If he loses, he will not be
president, either Joe Biden or

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Kamala Harris will be president.

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Trust me.

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I don't care how many people
he has, if he is not president,

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he does not have any power.

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You know, Kamala Harris will have the
power, or Joe Biden will have the power.

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And, and, and you don't want to go up
against the United States government.

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I don't care who you are.

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Yes, that's if the

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government continues to support
him, they can follow the laws.

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See, I'm thinking of a situation, and
I hope it never could happen, where

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people who are part of the government,
part of law enforcement, that say,

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oh no, I don't believe in the system.

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I believe in Trump.

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I believe that the system is corrupt.

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I'm not going to, I'm no longer
going to enforce the law.

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Uh, you know, and if that happens,
then the whole system could collapse.

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That's true, but I think the
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in particular dealing with the past
president, is that the military

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and others are not supporting him.

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And half of them supported him
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allegedly has disparaged members
of the military, whatever.

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So he does not have the power.

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He may have people following him.

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I have no problem with that.

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But he does not have
the power on his side.

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The president has the power on his side.

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And, and I think that, that
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They can do whatever they want to do.

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I, I certainly hope that,
that, uh, justice will prevail.

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And everybody goes out and votes.

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Uh, keep in mind the people who,
who, who try to tear down the

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system are not a majority, nor
have they ever been a majority.

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Even the person that we're talking
about has never won a majority.

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Anyway, uh, we'll, we'll
with, with Electoral College,

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which, which is possible.

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I mean, people that that's why it's there.

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Um, but, um, we'll, we'll see.

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Yes.

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Time will tell as they say.

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Choctaw, MD, who's also an attorney
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