The Brothers-in-Law's Bold Predictions: 2024 Election Forecast & Beyond, with Dr. William T. Choctaw and Attorney Bernie Brown

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Coming up on this episode of the
Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise podcast.

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The rumor is, is that there are
certain high powered Democrats that

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may try to urge President Biden
to relinquish those delegates.

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To someone else like

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welcome to the healthy wealthy and
wise podcast a podcast that provides

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actionable information And tools you
can use to live a more healthy wealthy

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and wise life This is the special
brothers in law edition featuring.

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Dr.

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William T.

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Chongta, md Who is also an attorney
and attorney bernie round a

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former los angeles city prosecutor
Let's join the conversation.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are
completely delighted to have one of

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our, uh, our, our, uh, supreme, uh,
no pun intended, uh, uh, guests and,

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and interviewees, uh, from the very
beginning of our podcast, um, attorney,

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Bernie Brown, um, who has stopped by.

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Uh, he's, he's a very busy guy, but
he's, he's He's been gracious to

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stop by and be willing to share, uh,
some, some, uh, brief moments of his

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time to just to give us his thoughts.

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Um, tell, tell me about
your opinion of the debates.

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Okay, well, you know, unfortunately,
Joe Biden, President Biden,

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kind of played into a lot of the
Trump propaganda, shall we say.

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I mean, Trump's been saying
all along that Joe Biden is not

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mentally capable of running the
government, of being president.

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And that he's old and These
people, and then fortunately

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he, when you see him walking, he
looks old and he looks fragile.

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He looks like he could just fall apart.

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He's like, you know, you blow
on him, he's gonna fall down.

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But when he would speak, he would
always be coherent and logical.

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And his analysis was sound
and strong and persuasive.

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Uh, and he sounded like he had
a good grasp of all the issues.

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Unfortunately, during the debate, he
had times where it appeared as though

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he was confused in his own sentences,
where he would, he would start talking

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and then he would use a word and you
say, well, it seemed like the word

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was out of context, or he would start
speaking about a subject matter and in

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the middle of it, he would interject
something that seemed to be irrelevant.

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Or some, some commentary that seemed
to not be related to what he was

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talking about, giving the impression
that he was confused and he had long

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pauses and seemed to be confused and
so it did appear as though, uh, he

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was having some age related issues.

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Right.

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So, I think that really hurt him.

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Well, no, and and I, I agree and I
think he agrees also, I, I, I watched,

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uh, as you did, I watched the debate
and I watched the, the, um, uh,

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the commentator, uh, uh, uh, I, I
watched his speech afterwards where

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he was, it was completely different.

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Um, and, and there's no question if you
are , if you are late seventies, um,

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or early eighties or whatever, you're
gonna have age issues, including Trump.

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You know, uh, in Trump's issues,
he just lied about everything.

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He didn't ask a question, you know,
and he would just say, well, let me

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go back to what that guy said, you
know, and then he would go, go back

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into his, his routine and everything.

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Um, uh, I, you know, I think
anybody can have a bad, Obama had

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a bad debate the first time out.

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You know, I think all that's, all that's,
I think there's style and substance.

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There's no question style
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Your style is not as cool as it was when
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but substance is what runs governments.

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Basically, you know, I, you know, it's,
it's what you do and why you do what

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you do and what your ethics are and your
belief systems and that sort of thing.

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Um, and, um, so I'm, I'm,
I'm not worried about that.

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I'm not worried about that.

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I think, um, and I think that's why
he chose Kamala Harris four years ago.

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Says I want, and their president does
that, I want somebody, you know, that

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if something happens to me, or if I
can't blah blah blah blah blah, who

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I feel comfortable can run things.

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The prosecutor from California can run
things, if she's elected president.

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Um, and I, so I'm comfortable with that.

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I'm just concerned.

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And I agree with all of that.

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I'm concerned about those swing rotors.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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It's not going to be easy.

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It's not going to be easy.

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Um, yeah, when they're looking

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at that debate and honestly, they're
thinking, and I'm just speculating,

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they're thinking we got, we have
a choice between a liar and a

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criminal and, and, and a guy who's
kind of, who's Diminishing returns.

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It's been mentally, uh, you
know, declining, shall we say.

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Yeah, I think the president doesn't
run the government by himself.

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Right.

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He's not.

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And I, and I, I don't disagree
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I think, I think though, even if
he is diminishing because of his

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partner, the country will be okay.

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I'm talking about Kamala Harris.

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Yes.

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That's a very good point.

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And that's why you have a vice president.

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Ratings are not great highs.

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Well, I think some of that is that
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about our liberalism and our openness
and our women's rights, we're still

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behind even Mexico and hiring or,
or electing a female president.

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Think about that.

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Mexico has a female president.

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You know, India's had female presidents,
Britain, on and on and on and on and on.

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My point is that I think there's still
that, I don't know, male dominance or

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whatever one wants to call it, that
until we get the first one, you know,

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then, you know, it's going to be typical.

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And I think that's what Harris is going
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a first one and she's on the precipice
to, to, to make that happen if necessary.

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Well, you know, some people, or some
of the, uh, high powered Democrats,

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uh, are considering other alternatives.

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But see, the reality is
there are no alternatives.

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He has the delegates.

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And the only way you get those
delegates is if he releases them.

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You know, so you can't make
him give up his delegates.

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He has them.

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Right.

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The convention is going
to be in, what, July?

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July or August, I think.

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I think it's in August.

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That's a done deal.

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And that's the other reality.

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There is nothing.

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There is no mechanism in place to
deal with this this late in stage.

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If he says yes, I'm
gonna do it or whatever.

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Yes, and the rumor is, is that there
are certain high powered Democrats

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that May try to urge President Biden
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someone else like Governor Newsom or,
or other possible powerful Democrats

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that they might think, yes, go ahead.

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I know, I know, I, I know, I, I've,
I've heard that and I think you're

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exactly right, but I'm, I'm, I'm going
to make a, uh, uh, uh, uh, a thought.

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That won't happen.

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It's too late.

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He's already said no.

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And to use Newsom's term,
folks just need to move on.

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That's a non starter.

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I think the longer, somebody said,
obviously your thoughts about this,

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and I've been a Republican and a
Democrat, so I can, you know, win.

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But that the Republicans are sort of like
tough folks, you know, you know, Trump

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can literally shoot somebody on Fifth
Avenue and they'll say, no, that's my guy.

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I'm going to stand with him.

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I'm going to stand with him, whatever.

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The Democrats, on the other hand, you
know, if they don't see perfection, then

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they start, you know, whining and crying
and, oh my God, what's going to happen?

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So they end up being their own worst
enemies, you know, and I, I don't

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know whether that's true or not.

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Um, but it's crazy.

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It's going to be interesting going forward
and we're going to know in a few months.

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This is not going to be a year.

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This is going to be a few months
and all of this will come true.

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It's quite an exciting time to live.

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It is.

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It is.

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It

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is.

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That's when you think, oh, I've seen
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know what's gonna happen, you know.

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And then it becomes like,
ah, so utterly unpredictable.

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Indeed, indeed.

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In so many ways.

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And what I always tell
myself, God is in charge.

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Yeah, whatever my fears, my worries,
you know, I'll put it in God's hands.

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I will do my part.

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Justin, do you have any
questions, any thoughts?

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Um, I do, um, in regards to the
immunity, um, and I'll make this quick.

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Um, Richard Nixon was pardoned, and if, if
they rule in favor of, you know, immunity,

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uh, will, will they, um, they being the
Heritage Foundation or whomever it might

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be, want to revisit that pardon, lift it,
and expunge him from any, uh, wrongdoing?

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Oh, man.

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I know that's kind of

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Okay, are you talking about
expunging Richard Nixon?

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They could but uh, that's
that's so far back in history.

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I don't think that they'll go there but
they could they certainly there's nothing

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to stop them from wanting to go there but
I don't think that Richard Nixon and then

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correct me did he actually get convicted?

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Yeah, I don't think he know

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right No, he didn't.

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So there's nothing to expunge.

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Yeah, I think, uh, He
resigned voluntarily.

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Prior to, I think a number of people
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have enough evidence to convict.

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You need to resign.

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I'm paraphrasing, of course.

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Uh, and I guess the crux of the question
was, uh, would it be the immunity,

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would it be Retro, retroactive,

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uh, generally Supreme Court cases are
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case, since he was never convicted, there
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And so, uh, so that
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Okay.

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And it's ironic

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that, uh, the convention, uh,
the democratic convention, uh, I

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believe it was in Chicago again.

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And, uh, uh, back in the day,
that's, it was pretty contentious.

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It seems like it might be
contentious this time as well.

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It's not going to be contentious.

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You don't think so?

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That was 1968 with Hubert Humphrey,
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different generation Now that will
be demonstrated at both conventions.

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That, that there, there's
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Trust me, this is all locked and loaded.

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It's it's going to go they got it.

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They've got the boat.

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They got to run it through You're
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confetti Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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Um, and one of the other things about
the debate Um, according to a number

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of the pundits, uh, it was one of the
least Watched debates in history a lot of

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people thought the opposite because most
people know most of these folks This is

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the first time an ex president is running
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they're no surprises here not not really
And so you either like it or you don't

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like, I mean, they either like one person
or they don't like them, but no, I, I

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think it'll be interesting to see, but
I think it's going to go like clockwork.

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Well, you know, that, that will
be another opportunity to get

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together with you gentlemen.

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to have a conversation after
that, uh, because, uh, whatever

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it is, it's going to be something.

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We can talk again in August.

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Yes, uh, it'll be,

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uh, just thinking you can
raise that issue, pardons.

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I think, I think Biden may at some
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may change his mind and Biden pardon
his son just before he leaves office.

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Yes.

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I, I would, Trump has already
said that if he wins the election,

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he's pardoning all of his,

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all his buddies.

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Right, right, right.

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And as a matter of fact, you just
said, why don't we plan to do that?

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Why don't we plan to some,
someday in August, which is

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only what, a couple months away.

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Um, we, we get back together
post conventions because the

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Republican convention is in July
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But after that, we, we, we get
back together and, and, and have

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a discussion and see what happens.

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Great.

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I would love that.

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As a matter of fact, on
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Let's make some predictions
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those predictions then.

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Well, I'll predict Biden will
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Party without hesitation.

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I predict that the Supreme Court will not
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And I think the Supreme Court will do it.

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I think they're all in the tank,
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and we're gonna have to get another
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I think that they will do it,
6 3, and, uh, Ketanji Brown

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Jackson will rightly dissent.

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All right.

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All right.

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Okay.

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All righty.

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Sounds good.

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Sounds good.

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Well, listen, uh, Brother Brown, we
want to thank you so much and hope you

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have a terrific rest of your Saturday.

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Uh, give my best to Gloria, uh, and,
uh, thank you for being with us.

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Thank you for having me.

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This is a wonderful show
you have, and I'm glad that.

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You can give any
participation, be part of it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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God bless.

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God bless you too.

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All right.

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