Truth and Tactics: How the Electoral College Shapes Every Election with Attorney Bernie Brown and Dr. William T. Choctaw, MD, JD

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Coming up on this episode of the
healthy, wealthy, and wise podcast.

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I

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thought we were beyond that.

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And I became president and yes,
African American male president.

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And I'm like, Oh, we were beyond that.

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But I think there was an
undercurrent of people who were

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like, really not happy with

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those.

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This is the special brothers
in law edition featuring Dr.

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William T.

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Chanta, MD, and attorney Bernie Brown,
a former Los Angeles city prosecutor.

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Let's join the conversation.

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It's kind of

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terrible, but

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ultimately it takes five.

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There are 538 electors.

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Okay.

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That's a total, total, a
total for all the 50 states.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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That's 100 senators, 435 members
of the House of Representatives,

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and three representatives
for the District of Columbia.

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That comes out to 538 electors.

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And it takes a majority of those electors
from each state to win the election.

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Okay?

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So, okay.

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Okay.

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It's, it's interesting stuff.

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It's going to be nail
biting on election night.

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Because as we both know, we've
got two very different candidates.

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No kidding.

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I mean, you couldn't
have a sharper contrast.

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That's true.

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Why is Nebraska so, so unique?

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Or why do people talk about Nebraska
in terms of electoral college?

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Well, Oh, well, Nebraska is one of
the two states, Maine, Maine and

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Nebraska that are not winner take all.

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Oh,

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got it.

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So it's one of the few states where
the way their systems kind of set up

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is the, the, the winning candidate
does get the two senatorial votes

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automatically, but with regard to the
other votes, they are not all cast.

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For the winning candidate,
they are allowed to vote

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their district independently.

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Oh, okay.

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So, so each district gets represented
rather than not represented in a winner.

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Take all system, loser, their
electors are not counted.

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Yeah, so, but wow, I don't know,
I don't know about you, but it's,

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it's really, it's really well, you
got me mumbling here, don't you?

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That's fine.

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I think we're all mumbling because
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happen, but I think, I think clearly.

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I, you know, I have been, and Jess and I
were talking about this a few days ago.

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I've been following politics
since the sixties and I'm a

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little older than both of you.

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And I can remember back in the sixties,
early sixties, actually 1960, when

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there was so much concern about the
election because the candidate was

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this young guy from Massachusetts.

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Um, and, and what, what a lot
of people were worried about

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was that he was Catholic.

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And oh my God, it was going to be the
first Catholic president possibly, and

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the Pope was going to run the country.

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Uh, and so now John Kennedy is
considered one of the greatest

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presidents we've ever had.

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So there's always some degree of anxiety,
but I would admit that the anxiety this

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level, going back to what you just said,
is probably on a whole different level.

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And I think because the stakes
appear to be higher, I think our

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system is in play as compared to
one party against another party.

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Previously, to my experience,
everybody agreed on the rules.

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Now, this time folks want to change the
rules and change the system completely.

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Yeah, there's a lot going on
and, and, and there are people

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trying to circumvent the rules.

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Sometimes they'll, Use voter
registration requirements.

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They'll require people to show proof
of age and proof of residency and all

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kinds of, you know, things to circumvent.

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The system, right.

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You know, they've tried to do this
in the past and it's failed and I

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don't expect that it'll work again.

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However, I think it is legitimate.

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I mean, technically you do have to
be a citizen of the United States.

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You have to be 18 years of age or older.

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You have to be basically a resident
and you have to be registered to

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vote and you have to not be a felon.

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Right.

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So requiring people to live up to
those qualifications is a valid,

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valid requirement in my opinion.

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But the reality is though, many who
are requiring that go beyond that, that

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in spite of the 50 or 60 or so court
cases that occurred four years ago.

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Not a single one had, was found to
be legitimate consistently, which

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is why they were all thrown out
of court, which is why the, the

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candidates at the time lost all that.

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A lot of the things that are
happening now, and you're right,

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it happened before, but this is
like, you know, an acceleration

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of a lot of the Jim Crow stuff.

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You know, where, where the polls close
or the, the, the, the time or the

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location changes in certain areas as
compared to other areas, or you got to

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have a picture ID, you know, whereas
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picture ID or just basic intimidation.

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People call in your house or
burning crosses on your lawn.

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I mean, that's,

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where we are now.

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it's amazing because.

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I thought we were beyond that, and
I think that's the Obama, Obama

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became president and Yes, yes.

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African American male president.

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And I'm like, oh, we we're beyond that.

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But I think there was a, an
undercurrent of people who were

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like, really not happy with those.

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Oh, I'm sure

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that, I'm sure that we, we, we are
not a a a monolith as a country,

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you know, we, we really are diverse
at one extreme to the other.

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And I think, I think those
people will always be with us.

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I, you know, I, I, I have no illusion that
everybody's going to be the other way.

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Because I think that is democracy.

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I mean, I think that's
the essence of democracy.

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That's why we love England.

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And say, well, we didn't want
to be under the King of England

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and the Church of England.

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We wanted freedom.

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We wanted, You know, July
4th, Independence Day.

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That's right.

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This is what independence looks like.

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And I think you hit it a really valid
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certain, should we call it systems being
used to try to undermine the election.

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The interesting rumor has it, rumor
has it that local precincts Or being

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loaded with with precinct workers
that may try to circumvent the system.

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As you know, when we go to vote,
we actually generally we show

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up at a polling place, right?

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And there is a precinct worker there.

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And that precinct worker screens
your qualifications and make sure

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that you are qualified to vote.

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And that precinct worker votes.

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And then the secretary of
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that the vote is valid state.

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And so there's all these little
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little places along the way where
there's room to circumvent the

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system, to get around the system.

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And so there are rumors out there
People are being placed in positions.

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Where they can actively achieve that
goal to, to circumvent, to throw

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a monkey wrench into the system.

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Well, the good thing about our
system is that the rule of law

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and the courts don't go on rumors.

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And that's, this is the beauty of having
judges and prosecutors and defendants

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where they can argue it in court and
the jury decides or the judge decides.

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And, and there, there have been some.

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You hear suggestions, but you
just by people who lose, you know,

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that, that have these rumors, but
they have not presented any facts.

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As a matter of fact, as a very famous
TV station that ended up having to pay

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millions of not a billion dollars because
they were alleging this rumor that was

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just part of what was called the big lie.

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You know, it wasn't true.

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They were sued for it and then
had to pay a lot of money for it.

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So, so far, these rumors have
not been proven to be factual,

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certainly not on a large basis.

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Absolutely right.

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And like you're saying, the rumor,
the other rumor is that, like take

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for instance, the argument was
that the Democrats were allowing

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illegals to vote and allowing people
that were non citizens to vote.

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And as you indicated.

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All of these matters.

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Well, yeah, virtually all of them
went to courts of law and those

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courts of law, many of them being
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All of them found that it
just didn't happen that there

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was no factual basis to it.

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But it's it's still scary because
when you when you undermine

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the validity of the vote, Yes.

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You set the groundwork for disruption
and for civil war, shall we say.

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Oh, I shouldn't say that, but you set
the groundwork for all types of problems.

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And one of the biggest issues that
we could face, I hope we don't.

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Yes.

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And that is on election day
because of some shenanigans.

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There is a delay in the validity.

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I'm sorry, in the final count of votes
in certain states so that certain

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states are unable to certify the votes.

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Well, you know, more and
more, there is a delay.

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You know, that it used to be that
you could stay up high related

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night and you would know who the
next president was or was not.

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My experience has been that, you know,
one, you have to wait, even in California,

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because we have a lot of absentee
ballots, I guess, or vote by mail.

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You have to wait.

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So, so there's, that's all, that's
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I think what, what gives me hope is that
the people in charge of all of that, I

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mean, the federal government right now.

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Are not the ones who are perpetuating
the big lie, you know, the big lie is

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being perpetuated by the people who lost.

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And I suspect that they will continue
to do that because I believe that that

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is part of their strategy to win, to
undermine or to attempt to undermine

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the system so that the average person
just throws up their hands and concludes

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that it's just, it's not worth the time.

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And that's why one has to counter
that and have individuals exercise

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their sacred right to vote.

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Yes, we absolutely, absolutely
want everybody to vote.

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I mean, this is your constitutional right.

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And if I sound like I'm, I'm stringing
the violin and playing grandma's old, it's

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like people fought and died for the right.

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And initially, African
Americans, especially, didn't

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even have the right to vote.

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And it was considered to be
with three fifths of a person.

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It was decision.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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And so it's very, very important.

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It is the process by which we choose
our leaders and our leaders are

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absolutely important to the destiny
and the direction of the country.

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I mean, there is so much at
stake, not only with regard to the

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economy, but with regard to foreign
relations, national security.

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I mean, it goes on and on and on.

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So the leaders that we elect are
just, is critical to the future of our

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nation and our people, our security.

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So it's absolutely imperative
that everybody get out

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there and cast their vote.

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I know some people think,
well, my vote doesn't matter.

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Well, if you don't vote, you're right.

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That's right.

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You prove yourself right.

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And one of the things that I, I've become
concerned about is how our media, the

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way is, and I'm, I'm a believer in free
speech and, and you know, what is it?

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The Washington Post says something dies
in darkness or democracy dies in darkness.

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And that's the thing.

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I, I agree with that.

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But yeah, some of those same papers
now for some of the first times in the

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history are hesitant to support or to
recommend a candidate, which, which

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they've always done in the past, you
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the environment where people are afraid,
institutions are afraid, but yet the same

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institutions supposedly of democracy.

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I'm talking about the media now.

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Fall into the trap of, of, of expanding
this knowledge and this fear about these

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rumors and the things that aren't true,
because that's part of what they do.

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You know, if it bleeds, it leads type
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more papers and get more eyeballs
on the show and on and on and on.

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And I think that that's
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Absolutely.

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That is so true.

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I mean, the terrible thing about the
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this whole thing of everything being
going through the media and, and, and

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all of the YouTubers and all of the,
everything that's out there is that.

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These candidates can virtually,
they say all kinds of things.

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They can say anything they want.

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Exactly.

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And there's no truth.

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Checking.

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Exactly.

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You can see, well, you and
I have obviously heard it

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and everybody's heard it.

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There's like, Outright lying.

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Just straight out where a candidate
says something and then they play a

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video of him saying the exact opposite
or her saying the exact opposite.

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And he still lies.

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He still lies.

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And then people believe it.

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Because the philosophers, if you
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start to question themselves.

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All you got to do is just keep saying
it, keep saying it, keep saying it.

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And you're right.

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That, that is an effective technique or,
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folks have used to, to get where they are.

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I mean, it's just like Trump said, Oh,
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black before she was, she wasn't black.

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You know, she was ignoring her blackness.

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Which makes no sense.

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They listen to that and might hear it.

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They forget.

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She was head of, you know, the Black
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that she was, it just goes on and on.

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So many different black organizations.

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She's part of

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Alpha Kappa Alpha and Howard.

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Her father, her father is a Jamaican,
highly respected, I think retired

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emeritus in economics from Stanford.

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Howard.

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You know, so, so it's, and,
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a little bit of our mixture.

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And I, I believe that that's, that
that's the way it's supposed to be to

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some extent, you know, I think, you
know, diversity really is our strength.

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